Quoting Heather Perella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> [SA previously]
> > "Haven't been there to observe it," before.
>
> [Platt]
> > No. That's a scientist's response. For them, nothing
> > exists that can't be observed
> > and measured, except when they speculate how
> > feathers help dinosaurs run.
>
> Why do you use the word speculate when it comes
> to science?
Because scientists speculate like everyone else.
> Also, this is not a scientists response,
> it was Socrates, the philosopher, who proclaimed this,
> and it is easy to see how science is founded upon
> ancient Greece with Socrates being from that time and
> place.
Sorry, I don't follow you.
> [Platt]
> > Yes, but is there a chance that you will live
> > forever? That's what Krim believes.
>
> Who am I?
If you don't know I can't tell you. But do you think you were born?
> [Platt]
> > Right. So like I said, what's static doesn't last
> forever.
>
> How do you know? The MoQ discusses static
> quality and dynamic quality. I don't know of anywhere
> in the MOQ, in Pirsig's books, where "...forever..."
> is discussed, maybe you could give me a reference to
> where Pirsig mentions this.
"It's true for all people at all times, now and forever, a moral pattern of
reality
as real as H20." (Lila, 13)
[SA previously]
> > I thought you were talking about body, not the
> > > body moving, I mean if my body can grow a mushroom
> > > then something generative is happening, right?
>
> [Platt]
> > There are several body states, among them, living
> and dead. I'm
> > talking about that body, the one that lives and
> dies.
>
> The body dies? Does death mean change or
> transform? I know the body changes into dirt, and
> after some other changes dirt to tree, to fruit, to
> human eat, to body, circles... Also called the life
> cycle.
So you, like Krim, believe there's a chance you will never die?
> [Platt]
> > So you are claiming your "moving, thinking body"
> > will move and think forever?
>
> The body thinks? Isn't it you that says
> consciousness has nothing to do with the organic
> brain?
No, I don't say that. I say the organic brain taps into cosmic consciousness.
> I don't know about forever, and changes occur
> all the time. Summer doesn't last forever, and yet,
> summer comes back again.
See Pirsig's reference to "forever" above.
[Platt]
> > Fine by me. So where in the MOQ do you find the body
> living on as a > mushroom?
>
> Or what about flies. Fly larva will eat the body
> and consume it for its' own use, and then become a fly
> and fly away. It's an easy jump using the ecosystem
> and life cycle in understanding what's happening here.
> It's observable. But you throw around forever, body,
> spirit, and the life cycle of the universe as if you
> know first hand or... or... how about your favorite
> word - speculative... hmmmm....
Yes, I speculate like everybody else.
> ever take a walk in the woods and watch trees sprout
> where deer have died,
No. Can't say I have. But if I shoot and kill a dear nobody in their right
mind would argue that the deer was still alive. Words mean things.
Rest easy.
Platt
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