At 01:27 PM 6/20/2007, you wrote: > [Marsha] > > I don't understand your non-thinking versus not > > thinking. Thinking is experience too, is it not? >Do you think > > thinking is a poor substitute to direct experience? >Isn't thinking > > just another form of direct experience? What do you >think?
> [SA] >I agree, thinking is another form of direct >experience, and I like it. Huineng, the 6th >patriarch, would say getting rid of thoughts is to >lose ones way into what Zen is. > This is from the 'The Treasure of the Law' the >sutra by Huineng, the 6th patriarch, as follows: > > "Learned Audience, when you hear me talk about >the void, do not at once fall into the idea of >vacuity, (because this involves the heresy of the >doctrine of annihilation)." > > Huineng discusses a Void/Nothingness that is >grounded and involves content - not annihilation. > He is another quote from the same sutra as >follows: > > "Learned Audience, what the ignorant merely talk >about, wise men put into actual practice with their >mind. There is also a class of foolish people who sit >quietly and try to keep their mind blank. They refrain >from thinking of anything and call themselves 'great'. >On account of their heretical view we can hardly talk >to them." > > To get stuck on thinking and not realize social >and organic levels, etc... is not helpful too. To >watch and be alert of ones thinking, but to not get >stuck and to not annihilate is to veer away from what >happens and to try the impossible. So, I agree that >thinking is an experience of direct experience. This >has been called by some non-thinking which is >different from not-thinking. I find non-thinking and >not-thinking to be confusing and not very helpful in >trying to get across what's happening. I will refrain >from using these words in comparison for now on. They >do not contrast very well. I hope what I explained >above does a better job at what I'm saying. > >burned in the garden area today, I like your explanation. 'Yes, no & all of the above' is a strategy to keep my mind open. If I know something to well, I may miss an opportunity to discover something new. And nothing is as incomplete as my previous conclusion. Marsha moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
