David, Marsha, Gav Exactly right ... in any literal or "scientific" sense we know nothing with any logical certainty (if enlightened, we know in the wise sense that Gav points out), and knowing that it becomes a matter of knowing what you believe, and a pragmatic question of what to do with that so-called knowledge - something constructive, something valuable, something good.
Ian On 6/26/07, David Harding <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Marsha, > > I noticed you said to Ian you like to say 'I don't know anything'. I > agree with you. I don't know anything either. > > Fundamentally everything's not truly definable, so if I don't know > anything then why say anything? I think we're here talking right now > because we can't help but say and define things. Just by being born > we're professing a certain way of living. So why not say something > good? This is what the MOQ says and what I try and do below.. > > >>> > >>> [Marsha] > >>>> Is knowing how to bake a pie knowing something? > >>> [SA] > >>> Yes. > >> [DH] > >> If the baking has been acquired purely on the social level then no > >> (unlikely), if it has an intellectual component then yes. > [Marsha] > > Acquired??? This cannot mean if I learn about making a pie at a > > football game it's Social, but if I learn about it at a university > > it's Intellectual? > > Are you implying that 'where you are' immediately depends on 'what > you're doing'? According to SOM where something is depends on what > it's doing because all things are fundamentally objects merely > following simple scientific rules of cause and effect. However, I > don't think the MOQ subscribes to this idea in a social and > intellectual context. > > [Marsha] (continued) > > What of replace learning of MC(squared)? Would > > it depend on purpose? Active versus passive? Acceptability within > > a community of intellectuals? > > > > MC squared is an intellectual concept. You cannot learn it without > intellectuality. Or you could but it wouldn't mean anything. > > > > > > >>> > >>> [Marsha] > >>>> If it's not knowing, what is it? Is knowing that a > >>> pie falls into the > >>>> category of desserts knowing? You're asking me for > >>> information > >>>> that I'm asking about? > >>> > >>> [SA] > >>> To locate 'knowledge' or 'where knowing exists' > >>> is answered as: value. > >> [DH] > >> 'where knowing exists' is on the intellectual level. > > > > [Marsha] > > Hmmm. Is this a linguistic problem? Seems like trying to look into > > your own eyes? Something strange going on here. > > Yes, linguistics mistake. More precisely; 'where knowing exists' is > another name for the intellectual level. > > Cheers, > > David. > moq_discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
