Quoting ARLO J BENSINGER JR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > [Platt] > So what do you offer, besides insults, to stop the quality decline? Marxist > morality perhaps? > > [Arlo] > I can only echo what Arnold Toynbee has said. > > "The disintegration of civilizations, schism in the soul, schism in the body > social, will not be resolved by any scheme of return to the good old days > (archaism), or by programs guaranteed to render an ideal projected future > (futurism), or even by the most realistic, hardheaded work to weld together > again the deteriorating elements. Only birth can conquer deathâthe birth, > not > of the old thing again, but of something new. Within the soul, within the body > social, there must beâif we are to experience long survivalâa continuous > ârecurrence of birthâ (palingenesia) to nullify the unremitting > recurrences > of death. For it is by means of our own victories, if we are not regenerated, > that the work of Nemesis is wrought: doom breaks from the shell of our very > virtue. Peace then is a snare; war is a snare; change is a snare; permanence a > snare. When our day is come for the victory of death, death closes in; there > is > nothing we can do, except be crucifiedâand resurrected; dismembered totally, > and then reborn."
Sounds like a born again Christian. But, as long as we're quoting Toynbee, here's one related to Quality decline: Of the twenty-two civilizations that have appeared in history, nineteen of them collapsed when they reached the moral state the United States is in now ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
