Hi Platt, Seems that this "decline in quality" has arises as a product of increased personal freedoms, and if you want to engineer society to make it different from the one that freely emerges, then you have to do that with social controls. I dont understand how from a pragmatic standpoint one can criticise "marxist morality" and at the same time criticise the degeneracy of emergent "free" culture.
Do I misunderstand you? > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of ARLO J > BENSINGER JR > Sent: 02 July 2007 02:06 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MD] Quality decline > > > [Platt] > So what do you offer, besides insults, to stop the quality > decline? Marxist > morality perhaps? > > [Arlo] > I can only echo what Arnold Toynbee has said. > > "The disintegration of civilizations, schism in the soul, > schism in the body > social, will not be resolved by any scheme of return to the > good old days > (archaism), or by programs guaranteed to render an ideal > projected future > (futurism), or even by the most realistic, hardheaded work to > weld together > again the deteriorating elements. Only birth can conquer > death—the birth, not > of the old thing again, but of something new. Within the > soul, within the body > social, there must be—if we are to experience long survival—a > continuous > “recurrence of birth” (palingenesia) to nullify the > unremitting recurrences > of death. For it is by means of our own victories, if we are > not regenerated, > that the work of Nemesis is wrought: doom breaks from the > shell of our very > virtue. Peace then is a snare; war is a snare; change is a > snare; permanence a > snare. When our day is come for the victory of death, death > closes in; there is > nothing we can do, except be crucified—and resurrected; > dismembered totally, > and then reborn." > > > moq_discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > This email was received from the INTERNET and scanned by the > Government Secure Intranet Anti-Virus service supplied by > Cable&Wireless in partnership with MessageLabs. (CCTM > Certificate Number 2006/04/0007.) In case of problems, please > call your organisations IT Helpdesk. > Communications via the GSi may be automatically logged, > monitored and/or recorded for legal purposes. > > > This e-mail (and any attachment) is intended only for the > attention of the addressee(s). Its unauthorised use, > disclosure, storage or copying is not permitted. If you are > not the intended recipient, please destroy all copies and > inform the sender by return e-mail. > > This e-mail (and any attachment) is intended only for the > attention of the addressee(s). Its unauthorised use, > disclosure, storage or copying is not permitted. If you are > not the intended recipient, please destroy all copies and > inform the sender by return e-mail. > > This e-mail (whether you are the sender or the recipient) may > be monitored, recorded and retained by the Ministry of > Justice. E-mail monitoring / blocking software may be used, > and e-mail content may be read at any time. You have a > responsibility to ensure laws are not broken when composing > or forwarding e-mails and their contents. > This e-mail (and any attachment) is intended only for the attention of the addressee(s). Its unauthorised use, disclosure, storage or copying is not permitted. If you are not the intended recipient, please destroy all copies and inform the sender by return e-mail. This e-mail (and any attachment) is intended only for the attention of the addressee(s). Its unauthorised use, disclosure, storage or copying is not permitted. If you are not the intended recipient, please destroy all copies and inform the sender by return e-mail. This e-mail (whether you are the sender or the recipient) may be monitored, recorded and retained by the Ministry of Justice. E-mail monitoring / blocking software may be used, and e-mail content may be read at any time. You have a responsibility to ensure laws are not broken when composing or forwarding e-mails and their contents. The original of this email was scanned for viruses by the Government Secure Intranet Anti-Virus service supplied by Cable&Wireless in partnership with MessageLabs. (CCTM Certificate Number 2006/04/0007.) On leaving the GSi this email was certified virus free. Communications via the GSi may be automatically logged, monitored and/or recorded for legal purposes. moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
