On Jul 8, 2007, at 10:07 AM, kimberlee hannan wrote:

> I don't have all the research to back me up.  I just have several 
> years'
> experience.  Experience tells me that with most kids:  When a kid
> understands what he/she is reading, fluency shows it.  I use myself as 
> an
> example.  I see fluency as a performance.......

Frankly, I don't think we need "research" to back up everything we say 
and I'm tired of having my own classroom observations and experience 
tossed aside because some obscure "research".... especially that 
research which is done by the company which wants to sell its 
product..... says that "this" is the "best" way to do something.

In the case of fluency, the problem as I see it is that for some 
people.... and that includes many administrators and curriculum 
directors overseeing assessment committees ..... fluency comes down to 
speed. We can talk and talk and talk on this listserv about how fluency 
includes "prosidy" or whatever you want to call it, but for those 
looking at numbers, it often comes down simply to speed. More words per 
minute with no mistakes = higher fluency level.

I'm not buying it.

As a member of a district assessment committee a few years ago, when we 
were deciding on what would constitute proficiency for a variety of 
things, I remember having to argue and argue and argue.... 
unfortunately to no avail.... to look at more than number of words per 
minute in assessing fluency.

Renee  (who's in kind of a mood)

"You cannot teach a man anything; you can only help him to find it 
within himself."
~ Galileo



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