I am not advocating meeting with one or a small group of readers for assessment. I mean that the TYPE of assessment would differ from student to student. Not all students require a running record in middle school. All students should have conferences/assessments with their teachers. Leslie In a message dated 3/10/2008 6:54:53 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I am wondering--and this is a genuine wonder--how would you like to be the only kid, or a kid among a minority, that the teacher listens to? Wouldn't that seem to message inadequacy to a reader? I am not sure that I don't think this is an all or nothing conversation. Lori ----- Original message ----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [email protected] Date: 2008, 09, Sunday Of March 21:16 Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] middle school reading assessment. > I just think that this is a daunting task for ms teachers with the numbers > of students they teach. I agree that with some kids teachers should be sure > to hear them read to listen for the miscues. BUT, I cannot accept that this > type of assessment is necessary for all. Talking to some students after > looking at their written responses should suffice. > > Leslie > > > In a message dated 3/9/2008 10:11:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Leslie and all, I am also turning this over and over again in my mind and I > have decided that a "running record" is definitely of value. The issue for > us has been what text to use beyond Z. And, how to develop teachers into > skilled assessors of retellings and other critical elements in order to really get > a sense of the reader and that reader's progress over time. Acuity, the > periodic assessment of McGraw hill, has recently posted high school -level by > grade passages and I plan to use some of those in the "running records." I also > think it's important to discern a running record that was done with a > fictional work or a non fiction piece. Perhaps the challenges of non fiction in > terms of non considerate text, an invisible author, and academic vocabulary is > worthy of consideration in the middle school classroom. Uh, that may mean that > content area teachers should do a "running record" with their students and > the text books they are reading.. > > Maureen Robins > Assistant Principal > JHS 194 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > ________________________________ > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sun 3/9/2008 9:56 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] middle school reading assessment. > > > > Do you think, at the middle school level, that it is necessary to do a > "running record"? When our admin asks for reading levels every 6 weeks or > so, the > middle school teacher get their backs up. My feeling is that at the higher > (R and up, I'm talking Fountas and Pinnell here) readers can read a passage > silently and then write a written retelling, followed by some strategy-based > questions. With upwards of 100 students, it is a huge task to do a running > record with each child and I don't really think it is necessary for every > child...maybe just he strugglers. > > Leslie > > > In a message dated 3/9/2008 2:36:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > You sound like you need a miscue analysis sort of assessment. The > Goodman's > are the ones to look at, but there are ooodles of folks that have written > books about it. Google it. It is a lengthy test. But you don't use it > with everyone. You use it with the kids that you know are struggling, but > are unsure why. > > I have found it irreplaceable when I want to know EXACTLY what a student is > doing when they read. No IRI or bubble test will tell me this. I know > there are folks against it. But once I know where a kid is truly > struggling, I can send them to the strategy to help fix it. THAT is what > will show up on your numbers test. > > Good teaching is what will raise test scores... > Kim > > On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 11:09 AM, gina nunley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > I have to chime in and agree about the need for multi-assessments. I have > > had students who scored high on the SRI (scholastic reading inventory), > low > > on the state test, and middle of the road on QRI. I use a spread sheet > > that has all the data side by side so I can surmise who really needs a > > closer looking at. > > > > In regards to Lori's plea for continuing discussion about middle level > > reading assessment I would be thrilled to do that. > > > > Moderators- Do we need to do this off this site? > > > > Our campus is trying to create an RtI model and of course progress > > monitoring is the hurdle for us. QRI, STAR, SRI are all just to identify > > reading levels....they don't give short term "assessment for learning" > > information. > > > > You know I am on this list because I am a believer in MOT and strategy > > work. But I have to be honest...my attempt at using Ellin's strategy > > interview bombed. I just couldn't squeeze it in, and then I had trouble > > using it in a way that I could bring to campus meetings. > > > > > > What I think is at the core of the progress monitoring dilemma is coming > > to agreement on what you want to assess in reading. That then tells you > of > > course what you will be assessing on a frequent basis. I have to speak > the > > language of the campus committee but I am trying to avoid target goals > like > > will build vocabulary....who decides that list? > > > > I'll stop before I babble. Again I'd like to have this ongoing > > conversation. Should we find another place to do it? > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. > > > > > http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 > > _______________________________________________ > > Mosaic mailing list > > [email protected] > > To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to > > http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. > > > > Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. > > > > > > > -- > Kim > ------- > Kimberlee Hannan > Department Chair, ELA > Sequoia Middle School > Fresno, California 93702 > > The best teachers teach from the heart, not from the book. ~Author > Unknown > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _______________________________________________ > Mosaic mailing list > [email protected] > To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to > http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. > > Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. > > > > > > > **************It's Tax Time! 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