Leslie, You are playing my song!! I agree, but convincing our teachers that this is POSSIBLE has been a daunting job, and I one I haven't been successful at yet. Believe me, I will keep trying.
Lori On 3/12/08 9:26 PM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am not advocating meeting with one or a small group of readers for > assessment. I mean that the TYPE of assessment would differ from student to > student. Not all students require a running record in middle school. All > students > should have conferences/assessments with their teachers. > > Leslie > > > In a message dated 3/10/2008 6:54:53 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > I am wondering--and this is a genuine wonder--how would you like to be the > only kid, or a kid among a minority, that the teacher listens to? Wouldn't > that seem to message inadequacy to a reader? I am not sure that I don't think > this is an all or nothing conversation. > > Lori > > > ----- Original message ----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [email protected] > Date: 2008, 09, Sunday Of March 21:16 > Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] middle school reading assessment. > >> I just think that this is a daunting task for ms teachers with the numbers > >> of students they teach. I agree that with some kids teachers should be > sure >> to hear them read to listen for the miscues. BUT, I cannot accept that > this >> type of assessment is necessary for all. Talking to some students after >> looking at their written responses should suffice. >> >> Leslie >> >> >> In a message dated 3/9/2008 10:11:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >> >> Leslie and all, I am also turning this over and over again in my mind > and I >> have decided that a "running record" is definitely of value. The issue > for >> us has been what text to use beyond Z. And, how to develop teachers into >> skilled assessors of retellings and other critical elements in order to > really get >> a sense of the reader and that reader's progress over time. Acuity, the >> periodic assessment of McGraw hill, has recently posted high school > -level by >> grade passages and I plan to use some of those in the "running records." > I also >> think it's important to discern a running record that was done with a >> fictional work or a non fiction piece. Perhaps the challenges of non > fiction in >> terms of non considerate text, an invisible author, and academic > vocabulary is >> worthy of consideration in the middle school classroom. Uh, that may mean > that >> content area teachers should do a "running record" with their students > and >> the text books they are reading.. >> >> Maureen Robins >> Assistant Principal >> JHS 194 >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Sun 3/9/2008 9:56 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] middle school reading assessment. >> >> >> >> Do you think, at the middle school level, that it is necessary to do a >> "running record"? When our admin asks for reading levels every 6 weeks > or >> so, the >> middle school teacher get their backs up. My feeling is that at the > higher >> (R and up, I'm talking Fountas and Pinnell here) readers can read a > passage >> silently and then write a written retelling, followed by some > strategy-based >> questions. With upwards of 100 students, it is a huge task to do a > running >> record with each child and I don't really think it is necessary for > every >> child...maybe just he strugglers. >> >> Leslie >> >> >> In a message dated 3/9/2008 2:36:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >> >> You sound like you need a miscue analysis sort of assessment. The >> Goodman's >> are the ones to look at, but there are ooodles of folks that have > written >> books about it. Google it. It is a lengthy test. But you don't use it >> with everyone. You use it with the kids that you know are struggling, > but >> are unsure why. >> >> I have found it irreplaceable when I want to know EXACTLY what a student > is >> doing when they read. No IRI or bubble test will tell me this. I know >> there are folks against it. But once I know where a kid is truly >> struggling, I can send them to the strategy to help fix it. THAT is what >> will show up on your numbers test. >> >> Good teaching is what will raise test scores... >> Kim >> >> On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 11:09 AM, gina nunley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >> >>> I have to chime in and agree about the need for multi-assessments. I > have >>> had students who scored high on the SRI (scholastic reading > inventory), >> low >>> on the state test, and middle of the road on QRI. I use a spread > sheet >>> that has all the data side by side so I can surmise who really needs a >>> closer looking at. >>> >>> In regards to Lori's plea for continuing discussion about middle > level >>> reading assessment I would be thrilled to do that. >>> >>> Moderators- Do we need to do this off this site? >>> >>> Our campus is trying to create an RtI model and of course progress >>> monitoring is the hurdle for us. QRI, STAR, SRI are all just to > identify >>> reading levels....they don't give short term "assessment for learning" >>> information. >>> >>> You know I am on this list because I am a believer in MOT and strategy >>> work. But I have to be honest...my attempt at using Ellin's strategy >>> interview bombed. I just couldn't squeeze it in, and then I had > trouble >>> using it in a way that I could bring to campus meetings. >>> >>> >>> What I think is at the core of the progress monitoring dilemma is > coming >>> to agreement on what you want to assess in reading. That then tells > you >> of >>> course what you will be assessing on a frequent basis. I have to > speak >> the >>> language of the campus committee but I am trying to avoid target goals >> like >>> will build vocabulary....who decides that list? >>> >>> I'll stop before I babble. Again I'd like to have this ongoing >>> conversation. Should we find another place to do it? >>> >>> >>> >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. >>> >>> >> http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Mosaic mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to >>> > http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. >>> >>> Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Kim >> ------- >> Kimberlee Hannan >> Department Chair, ELA >> Sequoia Middle School >> Fresno, California 93702 >> >> The best teachers teach from the heart, not from the book. ~Author >> Unknown >> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> _______________________________________________ >> Mosaic mailing list >> [email protected] >> To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to >> http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. >> >> Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> **************It's Tax Time! 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