ah yes, I thought the backoff was doing the opposite to what it's 
supposed to do so I changed the comparison around. I checked that it 
backed off, but i didn't run it through tuning.

it may still be wrong, or there may be strange interaction with the tuning.


On 16/04/2015 22:16, Matthias Huck wrote:
> Well, what's that business mentioned in your mail from January (quoted
> below), with the backoff being broken, then being broken more, then
> possibly been fixed - or not?
>
> https://github.com/moses-smt/mosesdecoder/commit/44fec57c535db2df73ccbb1628d8143a9c728c19
>
>
> I set up a system that was supposed to do backoff with factored
> generation steps, more or less in the manner of what's described in this
> paper: Interpolated Backoff for Factored Translation Models, Philipp
> Koehn and Barry Haddow, AMTA 2012.
>
> MIRA tunes all the weights of the backoff models to 0. With exactly the
> same configuration, this did not happen last year (February 2014). Maybe
> the [decoding-graph-backoff] setting didn't have any effect prior to
> some of your code modifications, and the models were actually competing
> in older setups? Or it's buggy now. I can't really tell.
>
> I can show you the two setups if you want.
>
>
>
> On Thu, 2015-04-16 at 21:34 +0400, Hieu Hoang wrote:
>> Didn't know it has changed. How should it behave and how does it
>> actually behave?
>>
>> On 16 Apr 2015 21:04, "Matthias Huck" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>          Hi Hieu,
>>          
>>          It seems that [decoding-graph-backoff] doesn't quite behave
>>          like last
>>          year any more. Can you briefly explain how its behaviour has
>>          changed,
>>          i.e. what it did before and what it does now? Can you please
>>          also let me
>>          know whether there's a way to reproduce the old behaviour via
>>          configuration options?
>>          
>>          Cheers,
>>          Matthias
>>          
>>          
>>          
>>          On Fri, 2015-01-09 at 15:20 +0000, Hieu Hoang wrote:
>>          > >From the git history, I think it was slightly broken, then
>>          I broke it even
>>          > more in May 2014.
>>          >
>>          >
>>          
>> https://github.com/moses-smt/mosesdecoder/commit/44fec57c535db2df73ccbb1628d8143a9c728c19
>>          >
>>          > It was
>>          >    endPos-startPos+1 >= backoff
>>          > then
>>          >   endPos-startPos+1 <= backoff
>>          > I think it should be
>>          >   endPos-startPos+1 > backoff
>>          >
>>          > I'll change it if it's ok with everyone
>>          >
>>          >
>>          > On 9 January 2015 at 15:11, Marcin Junczys-Dowmunt
>>          <[email protected]>
>>          > wrote:
>>          >
>>          > >  Hm, we have been using it at WIPO, but I have to admit I
>>          never checked
>>          > > it _actually_ does anything useful. We sorta believe it
>>          does.
>>          > >
>>          > > W dniu 09.01.2015 o 16:08, Hieu Hoang pisze:
>>          > >
>>          > >   Hi All
>>          > >
>>          > >  Does anyone use this functionality in Moses when you have
>>          multiple
>>          > > phrase-tables?
>>          > >
>>          > >  From the code, it doesn't look like it works as described
>>          in
>>          > >   http://www.statmt.org/moses/?n=Moses.AdvancedFeatures
>>          > >
>>          > >  Maybe I'm missing something
>>          > >
>>          > > --
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>>          > > Research Associate
>>          > > University of Edinburgh
>>          > > http://www.hoang.co.uk/hieu
>>          > >
>>          > >
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