Steve Chapel wrote:
> "Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
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>> Mark Bitterling wrote:
>>
>>> Braden, it IS the web developers fault when they develop non-standard
>>
> HTML
>
>>> web sites.
>>>
>>> Braden McDaniel wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Gervase Markham"
>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> It doesn't work? The two-facedness of the web developer community is
>>>>> amazing. "Standards!" they cry. "We only want to write stuff once!"
>>>>
> they
>
>>>>> cry. We give them standards, and then they moan that their
>>>>
> non-standard
>
>>>>> stuff doesn't work any more.
>>>>
>>>> That's the spirit. Blame the customers. It must be their fault.
>>>>
>>>> Braden
>>>
>> Okay I am a Very ignorant Websurfer that been on internet since 2400K
>> modems (a Practical Peripherals model that was 2400K data / 9600K fax)
>>
>> What advantages did using layers on Web Pages have and why is using
>> Layers and Layer tags so not standards like now.
>>
>> Why is doing anything simple so non-standards like and sloppy.
>>
>> Its seems like something so easy, and would make buildng a Website
>> faster increases efficiency.
>>
>> By building anything now by going by a very strict set of Standards your
>> slowing down efficiency and driving up the cost of building a site.
>>
>> Its like strictly down to a point and turning a corner and walking again
>> takes a certain amount of time. When you could walk diagonally to the
>> same point and save tons time.
>>
>> Am I missing something.
>>
>> Seems like all these fancy standards is just to make web designers lives
>> a pain.
>>
>> Your making Standards strictly because it looks great on paper.
>> (Probably some PHD came up with the stanadrds.)
>
>
>
> Whoa! It's hard to know where to start with this. :-)
>
> How do you think your 2400 baud modem worked with other modems? Modem
> standards.
> How are you able to communicate to us through this newsgroup? NNTP
> standards.
> How are you able to connect to the internet at all? TCP/IP standards.
> How are you able to watch TV? Television broadcasting standards.
> How are you able to use a phone and call anyone in the world? Telephone
> standards.
>
> Yeah! All those fancy standards designed by some stuffy Ph.D.'s really makes
> all our lives one huge pain, huh!
I think some of your examples actually tend to make Philip's point:
My 56k modem can still talk to a 2400 baud modem
IPv6 and IPv4 can coexist
Existing B&W TVs could recieve color signals when color TV was
introduced and color TVs could recieve B&W signals.
The introduction of touch-tone phones did not require everyone to throw
out existing rotary-dial phones.
NN6 and Mozilla cannot handle HTML designed for earlier versions of the
browser.
Unlike many standards, there is no backwards compatibility here. And
layers is a standard. It may not be a W3C sanctioned standard, but it
is Netsape's standard. They convinced a lot of people to use it, and
now all those people who were suckered into using it are accused of
being two-faced and are being told to f*** off.
I think it is true that everyone only wants to write something once. No
one wants to have to write it for every browser in existence which is
why standards are good. At the same time, no one wants to rewrite
everything because someone decided to change the rules, which is why
backwards compatibility is good.
Stephen Moehle
