Steve Chappel miss read part of my message. I said I've been on the
internet since 2400baud modems.
I wouldn't dare use one today. I'm using a 56K Modem on a G4 600 Macintosh.
I know my typing is terible. But I didn't think it was that bad.
Stephen Moehle wrote:
>
> Steve Chapel wrote:
>
> > "Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> >> Mark Bitterling wrote:
> >>
> >>> Braden, it IS the web developers fault when they develop non-standard
> >>
> > HTML
> >
> >>> web sites.
> >>>
> >>> Braden McDaniel wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Gervase Markham"
> >>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> It doesn't work? The two-facedness of the web developer community is
> >>>>> amazing. "Standards!" they cry. "We only want to write stuff once!"
> >>>>
> > they
> >
> >>>>> cry. We give them standards, and then they moan that their
> >>>>
> > non-standard
> >
> >>>>> stuff doesn't work any more.
> >>>>
> >>>> That's the spirit. Blame the customers. It must be their fault.
> >>>>
> >>>> Braden
> >>>
> >> Okay I am a Very ignorant Websurfer that been on internet since 2400K
> >> modems (a Practical Peripherals model that was 2400K data / 9600K fax)
> >>
> >> What advantages did using layers on Web Pages have and why is using
> >> Layers and Layer tags so not standards like now.
> >>
> >> Why is doing anything simple so non-standards like and sloppy.
> >>
> >> Its seems like something so easy, and would make buildng a Website
> >> faster increases efficiency.
> >>
> >> By building anything now by going by a very strict set of Standards your
> >> slowing down efficiency and driving up the cost of building a site.
> >>
> >> Its like strictly down to a point and turning a corner and walking again
> >> takes a certain amount of time. When you could walk diagonally to the
> >> same point and save tons time.
> >>
> >> Am I missing something.
> >>
> >> Seems like all these fancy standards is just to make web designers lives
> >> a pain.
> >>
> >> Your making Standards strictly because it looks great on paper.
> >> (Probably some PHD came up with the stanadrds.)
> >
> >
> >
> > Whoa! It's hard to know where to start with this. :-)
> >
> > How do you think your 2400 baud modem worked with other modems? Modem
> > standards.
> > How are you able to communicate to us through this newsgroup? NNTP
> > standards.
> > How are you able to connect to the internet at all? TCP/IP standards.
> > How are you able to watch TV? Television broadcasting standards.
> > How are you able to use a phone and call anyone in the world? Telephone
> > standards.
> >
> > Yeah! All those fancy standards designed by some stuffy Ph.D.'s really makes
> > all our lives one huge pain, huh!
>
> I think some of your examples actually tend to make Philip's point:
> My 56k modem can still talk to a 2400 baud modem
> IPv6 and IPv4 can coexist
> Existing B&W TVs could recieve color signals when color TV was
> introduced and color TVs could recieve B&W signals.
> The introduction of touch-tone phones did not require everyone to throw
> out existing rotary-dial phones.
> NN6 and Mozilla cannot handle HTML designed for earlier versions of the
> browser.
>
> Unlike many standards, there is no backwards compatibility here. And
> layers is a standard. It may not be a W3C sanctioned standard, but it
> is Netsape's standard. They convinced a lot of people to use it, and
> now all those people who were suckered into using it are accused of
> being two-faced and are being told to f*** off.
>
> I think it is true that everyone only wants to write something once. No
> one wants to have to write it for every browser in existence which is
> why standards are good. At the same time, no one wants to rewrite
> everything because someone decided to change the rules, which is why
> backwards compatibility is good.
>
> Stephen Moehle
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