With regards to the fact that testimonials praising Urban Ventures came from UV employees, Wizard Marks writes: You are correct, However, most of us can also say that at least one job we have had over our lifetimes has changed our lives. snip The people who make that claim in the UV film are speaking their hearts.
David Piehl writes: They may be, but a handful of employees is not representative of all the people UV claims to have helped - where are those who have moved on? Are they as bitter about Urban Ventures the guy who started the Center for Fathering (can't recall the name at the moment) who sued them? What else would an employee say about their employer on an employer produced video? Hardly convincing!! > > Wizard continues: > What do I care about what tool persons use to turn > themselves away from > crack, heroin, and alcohol toward a life he/she can > live. If UV can do > that, then more power to them. David Piehl writes: It would be great if the claims are as stated, but if the only success stories are the handful of people working for UV, then "Houston, we have a problem"! Wizard Marks Continues: Central > Community Church (what denomination I have no idea) > (snip) has a Siamese > Twin relationship with UV. > However, having a...Church... > proselytize against gender preference shouldn't be > much of a surprise to > anyone nor is it anything anyone outside the > organization can change. David Piehl writes - It's not a suprise, especially from Art Erickson who has 25 years of history of doing this in Minneapolis. I wonder if Ralph Bruins became so "religious" before or after his time in prison for financial fraud. Eva Young wrote: > I called Walt Gutzmer, and this was not a flyer. It > was an article > included in an Urban Ventures newsletter. This > called on gays to repent. > Does anyone know if these groups sponsor ex-gay > ministries? > > I'm curious whether the City or State would consider > funding an > organization that promotes a biblical view that says > there can't be > interracial marriage (kind of like Bob Jones > University). David Piehl writes: Hmmm - it was Urban Ventures, not Central Church after all. The organizational distinction is difficult because it's essentially the same people involved in both organizations, housed in the same facility. I was unaware that they oppose interracial marriage, though. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards� http://movies.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
