On 6/19/03 5:36 AM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I believe that the chemistry and biology 1001 courses have also become
> non-credit courses. The reason that students who attend the public college
> system in MN no longer get credit for taking those courses in college is that
> courses with about the same content are offered to students in Minnesota High
> Schools, including high schools without accredited AP and IB programs.

And you would be wrong, Doug.

Check out this overview of a chemistry major at the U of MN who is enrolled
in the Institute of Technology (IT).

http://www.catalogs.umn.edu/ug/it/it05.html

Chem 1021 and 1022 are the general chemistry classes that are required to be
taken for credit by all freshmen students in IT (where the real chemistry
majors are, not those wimps seeking a BA degree through the College of
Liberal Arts). 

This is essentially the same as the series that I took when I attended the U
of MN that was LESS rigorous than my AP chemistry course during my senior
year at Minneapolis North.

As for biology, here's the overview for a biology major through the U's
College of Biological Sciences:

http://www.catalogs.umn.edu/ug/cbs/cbs02.html

Biol 1001�Introductory Biology I is a required for credit course. I took
this class at the U as well. My Summatech biology classes, while not AP,
probably taught me more. As was the case with chemistry, the lab experiments
were more rigorous than what I did at the U. The one area of science where
it was less rigorous in high school than my introductory college classes was
physics and that's because at the U, those courses were taught using
calculus principles and that wouldn't have worked very well with high school
kids who were taking geometry or algebra at the same time.

Perhaps you need to do a little less "believing" and a little more research.
Or at least start citing where you're finding the information that you're
sharing because I couldn't find references on your web site.

I would be particularly interested in learning which school districts are
offering courses in math and other subjects that are taken by the general
student population in some districts which meet or exceed minimum
requirements for Advanced Placement accreditation.

Can you name any of them?

Mark Snyder
Windom Park
 


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