In a message dated 6/19/2003 8:44:32 AM Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
"Perhaps you need to do a little less "believing" and a little more research.
Or at least start citing where you're finding the information that you're
sharing because I couldn't find references on your web site."
"I would be particularly interested in learning which school districts are
offering courses in math and other subjects that are taken by the general
student population in some districts which meet or exceed minimum
requirements for Advanced Placement accreditation."
"Can you name any of them?" [end quote]
It is my contention that regular students are capable of doing AP math, and
that
even fairly average regular students in Minneapolis can do well in courses
that
meet or exceed minimum requirements for AP certificate. Can I name any?
You betcha. Have you heard of a high school math teacher in the Los Angeles
Public Schools named Jaime Escalante?
Like Mr. Snyder I have also cited anecdotal evidence of a personal nature in
posts to the Mpls Issues list and in material at my web site. In the early
1970s I discovered that math courses for the general student population in South
Washington County, MN covered exactly the same ground as AP courses in St.
Paul and equivalent courses at the U of M that led to higher math courses.
In a message dated 6/19/2003 8:44:32 AM Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
"I believe that the chemistry and biology 1001 courses have also become
non-credit courses. The reason that students who attend the public college
system in MN no longer get credit for taking those courses in college is
that courses with about the same content are offered to students in Minnesota
High Schools, including high schools without accredited AP and IB programs."
"And you would be wrong, Doug." [end of quote]
Here you set up a straw man by quoting me out of context -- You deleted 2
sentences in the first half of the paragraph.-- Then you put words in my mouth in
support of your contention that I am wrong to say that chem and bio 1001
courses are non-credit. And you did not actually debate the point that I made in
the paragraph from which your quote originated. This is what you snipped out:
In a message dated 6/19/2003 5:37:24 AM Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
"The MN state college system (community colleges, state colleges, technical
colleges, and the U of M) have stopped awarding credit for Algebra and
Geometry that are prerequisites for Trigonometry, Calculus, and higher level
courses.
The college-level English composition courses generally known as "Freshman
English" recently became non-credit courses." [end quote]
'Freshman English' is a required non-credit course for just about everyone
seeking a 2 or 4 year degree at the U of MN and the Minneapolis Community
College. You can no longer get credit for testing out of or taking Algebra and
Geometry, which remain prerequisites for required courses in some degree programs
(and some vocational certificate programs) and which once fully satisfied one
category of core curriculum requirements at the College of Liberal Arts at the
U of M. The same applies to the first year of classes that begin at the
introductory level in Foreign languages, such as French and Spanish, which are now
non-credit. I know this because I recently considered going back to school to
get an Associate Degree through the Minneapolis Community and Technical
College and also checked out courses offered through the U of M's College of
Liberal Arts.
-Doug Mann, King Field
Educationright.tripod.com
TEMPORARY REMINDER:
1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait.
2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject
(Mpls-specific, of course.)
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