In a message dated 8/13/2003 7:45:32 PM Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>  
>  It's interesting that I can agree with much of Mr. Mann's
>  analysis and believe instead that "colorblind" definitions of
>  justice and rights are the only fair process.  I believe that
>  if you remove the inherent inequities and discriminatory 
>  polices in the educational system that you will no longer need
>  to rely on race-based discrimination (affirmative action)
>  to level the playing field.
>   
I think that there are forms of "colorblind" discrimination which on average 
produce grossly unequal outcomes for black and white students. The 
introduction of a curriculum tracking system in the early elementary grades in the 
late 
1950s and early 60s, for example, was recognized by self-identified white 
supremacists as a way to keep most blacks in their place.  Such "colorblind" 
policies, combined with race-based discrimination in the housing and job markets and 
elsewhere makes for a very unlevel playing field in the classroom Competition 
for access to college-bound curriculum tracks.

Employers who advertise themselves as Equal Opportunity Employers are 
typically required by law to have an affirmative action program. Businesses with a 
certain number of employees and which have contracts with the federal government 
fall into that category.  The federal government merely requires those 
businesses to take steps to ensure that they attract qualified job applicants who 
are members of protected classes, e.g., African-Americans.  If African-Americans 
made up 50% of the pool of applicants for all of the jobs that a company 
fills, a small percentage of the new hires have to be African-Americans.  The last 
I heard, the "hiring quota" for a protected classes is two standard 
deviations (a measure of dispersion in a set of data) below its share of the 
workforce. 
 So if 50% of the qualified job applicants are African-American, for example, 
and less than 5% of the new hires are black, the employer is not filling the 
quota. Failure to fill that quota is prima facie evidence of race-based 
discrimination that could result in the lose of contracts with the federal 
government. However, these "quotas" generally leave employers a lot of room to pass 
over qualified black applicants in favor of unqualified and less qualified whites 
in hiring and promotions. I have seen that happen and it is hard to explain 
differences in unemployment and wage rates between blacks and whites without 
considering impact of race-based discrimination.

There have been fair employment and housing laws on the books since the 
1940s, though they have only been minimally enforced since the late 1960s.  
Affirmative action programs are the primary mechanism by which fair employment laws 
are enforced. However, as far as I know, the only allowable means by which 
covert discrimination can be detected on a large scale is through the fielding of 
survey teams, such as the black and white survey teams used by the Federal 
Department of Housing and Urban Development. The HUD survey teams gather evidence 
of discrimination by having team members apply for housing.  If a black team 
member puts in an application to rent an apartment first, and merits a higher 
rating on the application than the white applicant, but the white applicant 
gets apartment anyway, you have good evidence of discrimination. 

HUD gathers a lot of evidence of discrimination in the housing market, but 
rarely does anything with it. The last big HUD survey of the Twin Cities Housing 
market showed that race-based discrimination is very widespread.  If the City 
of Minneapolis were to organize job and housing market survey teams on a 
fairly large scale, and follow-up with legal action against discriminators, I 
think you would see a big change in the behavior of employers, landlords and real 
estate agents.  That is how one could actually deliver on the promise to 
desegregate the neighborhoods in Minneapolis and substantially increase employment 
opportunities for people who are frequently discriminated against due to their 
race, ethnicity, gender, etc.

The organization of survey teams could be done relatively cheaply, especially 
if job and housing hunters could be recruited as surveyors (until they find 
what they are looking for) with minimal or no financial compensation. And I 
think you could find project managers and staffers willing to work on a full time 
basis for a lot less than the $100,000 or so per year that the school 
district pays friends of the superintendent for doing comparable work.

-Doug Mann
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