Laura's points are all correct, and I assume already current. I don't understand why service workers haven't already tried to make these claims. I'm not suggesting that they don't try, or that smoking venues are exempt from such suits. Just because a small number of locations should be allowed to be smoke friendly doesn't mean I think they should be exempt from the law. That's between the owner, the employee and the courts. I don't know that any business would choose to be smoke friendly, but if they do, certainly they'll have to look at their liabilities.
Jeremy Wieland Northeast -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Laura Waterman Wittstock Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 3:57 PM To: 'Minneapolis Issues' Subject: Re: [Mpls] Smoking ban in Minneapolis On Thursday, May 6, 2004, at 02:35 PM, Jeremy Wieland wrote: > Some service workers are going to choose to work with smoke, others > are not. The notion here is let > some people pick their own destiny. My suggestion does not actually > fit any > of the concerns raised below. > > Smokers are looking for a place where, flat out, non-smokers are not > invited. We have gay bars and vegetarian restaurants where heteros > and meat > eaters can still go, they just stick out. > > The world doesn't end if we decide that 12 places are smoke friendly > and you > go there at your own risk. I don't see that limiting the opportunity > for > non-smokers to cook or wait tables. What's more, if you sell permits > for > smoking it creates a desperately needed revenue source for the city > while > allowing the municipality to discourage smoking. If business owners of establishments where the public is invited know they will be subject to injury claims they will hesitate to hire even willing workers. As we have seen from tobacco suits, former smokers and their survivors are winning against tobacco companies. The idea that a person is willing and therefore holds others harmless can change over time. For former smokers what was not known were the addictive properties of the tobacco product. For workers it will be the extent of the danger to their health. The amount of signage, exemptions and assurances that the establishment would have to have would never be enough to ward off later suits. Smoking is a legal activity that those over the age of 18 may choose to engage in. This choice will not extend to licensing the smoker to endanger others with his or her choice because the public and private liability for doing so will be too great. This is not a concept based on opinion. This is based on scientific evidence and medical research. For the business owner, this is a business decision with weighed risks. For the individual tobacco user, it is the very difficult choice of quitting or continuing. For those within range of the smoker's environment, the response will depend on the status of the individual. Obviously, children will have no rights except in unusual cases. (There are some cases of sick children being removed from homes where smoking is relentless and omnipresent). But for workers, if some do volunteer, the development of the case law is unlikely to bar them from seeking recourse at a later time in their lives. Best, Laura Southeast Minneapolis Laura Waterman Wittstock MIGIZI Communications, Inc. 3123 East Lake Street Minneapolis, MN 55406 612.721.6631 ext 219 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.migizi.org REMINDERS: 1. Think a member has violated the rules? Email the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract ________________________________ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls REMINDERS: 1. Think a member has violated the rules? Email the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract ________________________________ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
