Hello R.T. I live directly next to the Chatterbox and even when the place is full during bar hours the noise usually does not bother me. At closing intoxicated folks tend to loiter around talking very loud, and at times during bar hours people talking on their cell phones are the biggest disruption to the neighborhood.
Neighborhood residents have requested numerous times for signs to be put up on the door and outside the building of the Chatterbox asking, "Please be courteous to our neighbors by keeping voices down and do not litter!" You could also add urinate but that would probable encourage more people to do it then discourage. I have spoken with the owner (Steve) and his staff at least 8 times and Steve refuses to put such a sign up. I believe such signs will be necessary in residential neighborhoods when the smoking ban happens. People just tend to be louder when they are drinking. A smoking ban would seem to be helpful in attracting certain convention groups to our city. Ken Bradley --- "Rybak, R.T." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I could use some advice from list members on ways to > mitigate an > unintended consequence of the proposed smoking ban: > > After the ban is in place, people at a restaurant or > bar who want to > smoke will presumably walk outside to light > up...forming the kinds of > front door smoking gatherings you see already > outside office buildings. > The groups outside bars and restaurants will > probably hang around longer > because they probably don't have a boss pushing them > to get inside. > > This has actually set off somewhat of a trend in New > York where the new > word is, if I have this right, "smurting"---smoking > and > flirting---because smokers looking for partners who > can tolerate the > smoke have a self selected group in that smoking > line outside the front > door. > > This all probably won't be such a big deal in > entertainment districts, > but it could cause real problems outside bars in > residential > neighborhoods like the Chatterbox or > Maslack's....especially with bars > now open until 2 a.m. > > As I've said, I think the ban is going to pass...and > I think on most > levels that's a good thing. And I don't think this > issue in itself is > enough of a reason not to do this but I want to > address this, and see if > there is anything we can do about it, BEFORE there > is a problem. > > On or off list: Does anyone have any thoughts about > how we can address > this issue? > > (FYI: Another issue that I think we have to address > before this moves > forward is consistency....This could get real crazy, > real fast, if we > have a web of different ordinances in every city. > Toward that end, I'm > meeting tomorrow with a group of suburban mayors to > see if there is a > way we can get on the same page. From bars and > restaurants I've talked > to, consistency with key suburbs, esp. Bloomington, > St. Louis Park, > Golden Valley, Eden Prairie....is probably more > important that with St. > Paul......If anyone has information or thoughts > about the suburbs and > the proposed ban, please pass that along, too.) > > R.T. Rybak > REMINDERS: > 1. Think a member has violated the rules? Email the > list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing > it on the list. > 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. > > For state and national discussions see: > http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html > For external forums, see: > http://e-democracy.org/mninteract > ________________________________ > > Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic > Discussion - Mn E-Democracy > Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: > http://e-democracy.org/mpls > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo REMINDERS: 1. Think a member has violated the rules? Email the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract ________________________________ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
