The fact that secondhand smoke may be harmful is completely relevant. The reason it's so is because of what Atherton snipped out of my comment, which was "my right to do something that has no impact on you..."
If you don't believe your action of smoking impacts me, then logic would follow that you don't believe secondhand smoke is harmful. The ban does not tell smokers they cannot smoke, so the argument that "the things we choose maybe harmful to our health, our spirits, or our morality, but they should remain our own choices and not be dictated by the values of other people" is what's irrelevant here. The only reason I've tried to "limit debate" on this issue is because the same arguments keep getting made again and again by the same people since this whole smoking ban issue came up a year or so ago. It's long past gotten old... Mark Snyder Windom Park On 10/30/05 12:15 PM, "Michael Atherton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Mark Snyder wrote: > >> To me, the foundation of this disagreement lies with whether >> exposure to secondhand smoke is actually harmful,... > > False! The fact that secondhand smoke maybe harmful > is irrelevant! We all choose to do things that are > harmful from the perspective of others. The things > we choose maybe harmful to our health, our spirits, > or our morality, but they should remain our own > choices and not be dictated by the values of other > people as long as no one else is affected by them > involuntarily. > >> Debating that is outside the realm of this forum. >> >> So how about if we just agree to disagree and find >> something else to talk about, OK? > > To come to a conclusion that is based on a false > premise, then attempt to limit debate based on > this false conclusion is implicit censorship. > I think that false assumptions and censorship > are necessary because the position you hold > is untenable and intellectually corrupt. > > Michael Atherton > Prospect Park REMINDERS: 1. Be civil! Please read the NEW RULES at http://www.e-democracy.org/rules. If you think a member is in violation, contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract ________________________________ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:mpls@mnforum.org Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
