I love learning about what's new, and about features coming in future versions of the product. That is useful to me in planning for future projects, deciding whether I should hold off on an upgrade that would benefit from the new features, etc. That kind of stuff is a nice little bonus to take home from any conference. However, it's just a bonus, not the reason to attend. I go because I want to learn things that I can bring back from the conference and put to use right away. I want to learn how to get more out of the systems I already have and use.
This year seems like an especially poor time for a very heavy focus on vNext, since it sounds like vNext is about a year away from GA. That seems like something I would expect from a marketing presentation, not a technical / educational conference. I plan to attend ignite, but I hope it doesn't turn out to be all forward looking content, without anything that I can actually use. Steve — Sent from Mailbox On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 2:30 PM, Michael Mott <[email protected]> wrote: > +1 there Mike, it seems to cost to play and learn now. > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Marable, Mike > Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2015 9:09 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [mssms] RE: (OT) Vendor list for Ignite? > For me the biggest fear is access to the technology. Right now I have free > and unlimited access to Configuration Manager. I can download the evaluation > software and build as many labs as I need. > Once I burn an Intune evaluation (and I haven't tried yet so fear of the > unknown...) can I sign up for another eval using my same email of do will I > need to set up throw away email accounts to sign up using? If in the future > having access to Azure and Intune subscriptions is a requirement that will > become a barrier to those of us who do not have access to it. > It could become a world of the "haves" and the "have nots". If you're a > "have not" then you're unable to learn the technologies and quickly become > obsolete. > That is what worries me. > Mike > From: David O'Brien > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > Reply-To: "[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>" > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > Date: Friday, February 27, 2015 at 8:28 PM > To: "[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>" > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > Subject: RE: [mssms] RE: (OT) Vendor list for Ignite? > What exactly is the scary bit here? (since I'm being quoted...) > Sent from my Windows Phone > ________________________________ > From: Daniel Ratliff<mailto:[email protected]> > Sent: 28/02/2015 6:53 AM > To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: RE: [mssms] RE: (OT) Vendor list for Ignite? > A scary thought on Twitter this morning from Peter Egerton. > https://twitter.com/david_obrien/status/571068420298420225 > Host the #configmgr<https://twitter.com/hashtag/configmgr?src=hash> site on > Azure / Cloud and just have a DP on site. Would that be a bad thing? > Daniel Ratliff > From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bill Bernat > Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 2:09 PM > To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [mssms] RE: (OT) Vendor list for Ignite? > It's a fascinating topic. Here's a recent take from Brad Anderson: > http://redmondmag.com/articles/2015/02/23/system-center-configuration-manager-future.aspx. > -billb > From: Andreas Hammarskjöld > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > Reply-To: "[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>" > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > Date: Friday, February 27, 2015 at 10:58 AM > To: "[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>" > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > Subject: RE: [mssms] RE: (OT) Vendor list for Ignite? > But also remember what wise men say: "One does not just migrate 20 years of > code in to Mordor... sorry the Cloud" > MS focuses primarily on the Cloud right now, but we all know were few people > actually use it. Does Intune even cover 1% of the ConfigMgr install base? And > I am not talking purchased or licensed, I am talking about deployed. > So MS faces the options to put in a few years to make Intune better with zero > new stuff in ConfigMgr, which will make existing customer base angry, making > future sells harder. Alternative is to do a split where some like 70% goes > towards the Cloud and 30% to keep customer happy enough. But that won't make > the "market" people as they want a good story and strong figures on cloud and > market share in that. The lack of ConfigMgr sessions at these events since > there are very few new features, i.e. not so much dev time for our friend > ConfigMgr. > In my previous role at my old company I was in exactly the same spot as MS. I > had to develop new things for the cloud, and still maintain good ol' "slow > moving software". It's not an easy game. MS will make most mistake's again > with Intune as they did with ConfigMgr, because people are like that. Writing > new code generates bugs, period, since developers are human. So it will be > slower than they think, and when no new stuff comes to existing platform > owners they will start not to renew Enterprise deals since there is a lack of > roadmap, people will raise hell internally. And then God knows what will > happen. > So basically, Microsoft has to develop a kick-ass Intune with the same > feature set that it took them 20 years to put into ConfigMgr + more. And this > they have to do in a very short timeframe before losing new or existing > customers. I think I recall that ConfigMgr 2012 was 9 million lines of code > and the test tools had 4.5 million, so to finish in 5 years time they have to > check in more than 12000 perfect lines of code each day. You do the math! :) > Anyhow, my 2 cents after having 2Pints! So conditions do apply, now off to > pester mr Arwidmark and Mikael Nyström on Twitter! > //A > From:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ed Aldrich > Sent: den 27 februari 2015 19:28 > To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: RE: [mssms] RE: (OT) Vendor list for Ignite? > "I'm trying to interpret these marketing and materials changes to understand > what MS will be pushing in the years to come. " > As far as us in the CfgMgr world are concerned, rest assured that the future > holds cloud enabled management... Current initiatives around Intune show that > clearly... while it still has a way to go before its prime-time ready, it is > the future.... toss in a more homogenous AppStore story across platforms and > their respective devices, and the picture begins to become clear. > Jeff Gilbert's recently published (co-authored) book Enterprise Mobility > Suite Managing BYOD and Company-Owned > Devices<http://www.amazon.com/Enterprise-Mobility-Managing-Company-Owned-Devices/dp/0735698406/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1425061383&sr=1-1&keywords=jeff+gilbert> > is a great place to start learning, along with any number of Microsoft blogs > that focus on Intune. > Ed Aldrich > Mobile: (401) 924-2293 > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>| www.1e.com<http://www.1e.com/> > [Description: Description: cid:[email protected]] Ent Cli Mgmt > (2003-2014) > From:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Stephen Owen > Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 10:34 AM > To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [mssms] RE: (OT) Vendor list for Ignite? > Guys, let's not bash these conference bags. Some of us look forward to them > very much (I don't have one yet :( )! > I've also got to say based on what I've seen from the Channel 9 / TechEd > videos. There was some seriously great and juicy stuff from previous > TechEd's, some of which helped shape my SCCM knowledge (Niehaus, your's from > TechEd were AWESOME!). > You can really see a decline in that content volume recently. I think > everyone has said it already, there is a lot that MS is transitioning too. > I'm trying to interpret these marketing and materials changes to understand > what MS will be pushing in the years to come. > On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 6:30 PM, Michael Niehaus > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > My personal opinion, not Microsoft's :) > I agree very much with the highlighted parts below. But just because it's a > forward-looking event focused on roadmap and where everything is going, that > doesn't mean that there isn't a community aspect. Just expect the community > aspect to be more like The Krewe (probably 90% social/networking) than like > MyITForum (probably 70% technical conversation/how-to, 30% social/networking). > Where I tend to disagree with people is in regards to the bashing of > Ignite/TechEd/other large Microsoft events. Ignite has its place, and for > those that focus on what's next, it should be considered essential - at least > acknowledge that. And that's not for everyone. For those that live in the > here-and-now, well, then maybe you should consider events that focus more on > the here-and-now: training on current versions, troubleshooting and > notes-from-the-field with live releases, compare notes with like-minded (and > similarly challenged) individuals, etc. (For those of you running those > events, please focus on the position: Market your events based on their > strengths, not by comparing yourself to Ignite.) > I've been campaigning for more ConfigMgr sessions too, but even if these come > I wouldn't expect them to spend much time on existing releases, except to > talk about how they are changing, how you can upgrade, new features/roadmap, > etc. If you really want to know how to better use the ConfigMgr app model > that hasn't changed much since 2012, or how to best deploy OS updates to > Windows 7, well, we've got session recordings on Channel 9 that already cover > that :) > When I was in enterprise IT (granted, that was over 11 years ago now), I > considered TechEd to be the one must-attend conference each year. That > reflected what I did: I was an enterprise infrastructure and desktop > architect, responsible for a variety of Microsoft-related technologies, and > it was the only place where I could find out where I needed to be heading > (for my company) in the coming year. Ignite continues in that tradition. > Thanks, > -Michael > From:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] > On Behalf Of Rod Trent > Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 12:04 PM > To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: RE: [mssms] RE: (OT) Vendor list for Ignite? > You really are trying to goad me onto my soapbox, aren't you? > The problem is highlighted in your text below. Fix that and we may be able to > find our way back to a technical event that this group wants to attend. :) > I'll make this brief. > We worked extremely hard for MMS each year to ensure there was enough > technical content, despite it being run by marketing. That effort was a LOT > of work that a lot of people don't realize. In 2013, just prior to TechEd > 2014, we lost our advocates and those left refused to listen. Result: TechEd > 2014 for MMS folks was a joke. > New year, brand new event - marketing still making the decisions, and we have > a total of 5 events rolled into one. Ignite will be bigger and the focus is > clearly on roadmap. That doesn't hold much hope for those whose bosses demand > a certain level of technical value. And, for this community, with a > smattering of ConfigMgr sessions coming, they can get the same value just by > gathering teams members around a desk and streaming the keynotes in the > office. > There's very little hope to turn Ignite into a ConfigMgr or on-premises > management heavy event no matter how much feedback is given. That's simply > not Microsoft's focus and direction. > However, that all said, it's not all doom and gloom for me. I'm looking > forward to it (mostly out of curiosity) and Ignite better represents my focus > these days. But, then again, I'm not dealing with the technical issues that > this community is day-in and day-out. > That's where smaller, more intimate events like the new MMS provide such a > great opportunity for specific groups of people. In my opinion, Microsoft > should just produce the best event it can in Ignite. Make it Microsoft's > VMWorld - because really that's the intent: one message to the biggest crowd > possible. But, give up trying to appease the communities. Instead, invest > time, resources, and marketing dollars in community led events. Go where the > communities are - don't expect to be able to force them to come to you. That > makes it less stressful for everyone. > From:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Aaron Czechowski > Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 2:26 PM > To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: RE: [mssms] RE: (OT) Vendor list for Ignite? > What a coincidence, we were just talking about "slow moving software" in this > morning's Shiproom.... > To reiterate Michael's comments, our marketing team is working on this, even > talking with BradAnd, and as I hear have until 2/27 to publish. The list I've > seen so far includes three additional sessions specific to ConfigMgr - and > we're doing what we can to get more added. At least one of those will be 300+ > level (I'm the content owner - unfortunately just don't know yet whether I'll > be presenting it...). > Honestly, this is all awesome feedback. I've shared some of your comments > verbatim with marketing and leadership so that they understand your > frustrations. I definitely can't promise that will change anything in the > next several months, but I hope helps inform strategy decisions in the > future. And please don't let this put any damper on the discussion - it's why > I've been on this list for so many years. :) > Aaron > From:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sherry Kissinger > Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 11:03 AM > To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [mssms] RE: (OT) Vendor list for Ignite? > Nash, don't be dissin' SMS > er... SCCM > er... ConfigMgr > er... oh, what's your name today? > On Thursday, February 19, 2015 12:56 PM, Nash Pherson > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > ConfigMgr is being renamed "exasperating and sometimes downright obnoxious"? > Microsoft EaSDO: For all your systems management needs. > From:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Rod Trent > Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 12:45 PM > To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: RE: [mssms] RE: (OT) Vendor list for Ignite? > Product name just hasn't changed yet. :) > If you want a more accurate name, look at what Microsoft calls the MVPs in > that area. > From:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Eric Groff > Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 1:39 PM > To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: RE: [mssms] RE: (OT) Vendor list for Ignite? > What's in a name? > Microsoft System Center Configuration Manager > Sent from my Windows Phone > From: Rod Trent<mailto:[email protected]> > Sent: 2/19/2015 12:13 > To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: RE: [mssms] RE: (OT) Vendor list for Ignite? > More will be added for System Center and Server. That much is true. > However, when I was told that, I was also told that Configuration Manager is > not really considered to be part of System Center any longer. So, don't > expect many more ConfigMgr sessions to post. There's clear reasons behind > this. > Also consider that Ignite now uses a sort of aged "editorial calendar" method > for sessions. Microsoft has the decks with the proper messaging, and then the > Ignite teams will source the speakers they believe fit the decks best. I'll > leave it at that. > I almost, *almost*, went off on a soapbox tangent for both preceding > paragraphs. But, you all are smart enough to figure it out. > From:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Troy Martin > Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 12:45 PM > To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: RE: [mssms] RE: (OT) Vendor list for Ignite? > As of Saturday, 5 ConfigMgr sessions - http://bit.ly/1Etbsab > Troy L. Martin | Product Manager, Endpoint Automation > Provision software, not infrastructure > US Mobile: +1 (678) 898-6147<tel:%2B1%20%28678%29%20898-6147> > UK Phone : +44 208 326 9141<tel:%2B44%20208%20326%209141> > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>| www.1e.com<http://www.1e.com/> > <http://www.1e.com/> > <http://www.1e.com/> > From:[email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Harjit Dhaliwal > Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 11:44 AM > To:[email protected] > Subject: Re: [mssms] RE: (OT) Vendor list for Ignite?<http://www.1e.com/> > <http://www.1e.com/> > I think you are being a little swift with your assumptions. The full session > catalog has not been completed and Ignite has mentioned that they are going > to be adding much more to the catalog including System Center stuff. There > are quite a few of us from the ConfigMgr community who will be attending the > conference. > -Harjit<http://www.1e.com/> > On 2/19/2015 11:36 AM, Andreas Hammarskjöld wrote:<http://www.1e.com/> > Hey Ivan,<http://www.1e.com/> > <http://www.1e.com/> > If you are looking for ConfigMgr integration Ignite might not be your best > place to hunt. The total lack of ConfigMgr sessions have led to the ConfigMgr > community already renamed the conference MS Ignore (for several > reasons).<http://www.1e.com/> > <http://www.1e.com/> > Might change, although unlikely, but damage is already > done.<http://www.1e.com/> > <http://www.1e.com/> > //A<http://www.1e.com/> > <http://www.1e.com/> > From:mailto:[email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Troy Martin > Sent: den 19 februari 2015 17:24 > To:[email protected] > Subject: [mssms] RE: (OT) Vendor list for Ignite?<http://www.1e.com/> > <http://www.1e.com/> > Hey Ivan,<http://www.1e.com/> > <http://www.1e.com/> > Have them stop by the 1E booth. In the meantime, check out our site - > http://www.1e.com/appclarity-software-asset-management/<http://www.1e.com/> > <http://www.1e.com/> > <http://www.1e.com/> > Thanks :)<http://www.1e.com/> > <http://www.1e.com/> > Troy L. Martin | Product Manager, Endpoint Automation<http://www.1e.com/> > Provision software, not infrastructure<http://www.1e.com/> > US Mobile: +1 (678) 898-6147<http://www.1e.com/> > UK Phone : +44 208 326 9141<http://www.1e.com/> > [email protected]| www.1e.com<http://www.1e.com/> > <http://www.1e.com/> > <http://www.1e.com/> > <http://www.1e.com/> > <http://www.1e.com/> > From:mailto:[email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lindenfeld, Ivan > Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 10:57 AM > To:[email protected] > Subject: [mssms] (OT) Vendor list for Ignite?<http://www.1e.com/> > <http://www.1e.com/> > I have a colleague in the ITAM space wanting to shop but needs to make sure > hunting will be rich. We don't see a vendor list on the Ignite web > site.<http://www.1e.com/> > <http://www.1e.com/> > It would go a long way toward justifying the trip.<http://www.1e.com/> > <http://www.1e.com/> > Thanks for any pointers.<http://www.1e.com/> > <http://www.1e.com/> > Ivan Lindenfeld<http://www.1e.com/> > <http://www.1e.com/> > NOTICE: The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or > confidential and may be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient of > this communication, you are hereby notified to: (i) delete the message and > all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any > manner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. <http://www.1e.com/> > <http://www.1e.com/> > <http://www.1e.com/> > Legal Notice: This email is intended only for the person(s) to whom it is > addressed. If you are not an intended recipient and have received this > message in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this > email or calling +44(0) 2083269015 (UK) or +1 866 592 4214 (USA). This email > and any attachments may be privileged and/or confidential. The unauthorized > use, disclosure, copying or printing of any information it contains is > strictly prohibited. The opinions expressed in this email are those of the > author and do not necessarily represent the views of 1E Ltd. Nothing in this > email will operate to bind 1E to any order or other > contract.<http://www.1e.com/> > <http://www.1e.com/> > <http://www.1e.com/> > <http://www.1e.com/> > <http://www.1e.com/> > <http://www.1e.com/> > Legal Notice: This email is intended only for the person(s) to whom it is > addressed. If you are not an intended recipient and have received this > message in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this > email or calling +44(0) 2083269015 (UK) or +1 866 592 4214 (USA). This email > and any attachments may be privileged and/or confidential. The unauthorized > use, disclosure, copying or printing of any information it contains is > strictly prohibited. The opinions expressed in this email are those of the > author and do not necessarily represent the views of 1E Ltd. Nothing in this > email will operate to bind 1E to any order or other > contract.<http://www.1e.com/> > <http://www.1e.com/> > <http://www.1e.com/> > <http://www.1e.com/> > <http://www.1e.com/> > <http://www.1e.com/> > <http://www.1e.com/> > <http://www.1e.com/> > <http://www.1e.com/> > <http://www.1e.com/> > ________________________________ > Legal Notice: This email is intended only for the person(s) to whom it is > addressed. If you are not an intended recipient and have received this > message in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this > email or calling +44(0) 2083269015 (UK) or +1 866 592 4214 (USA). This email > and any attachments may be privileged and/or confidential. The unauthorized > use, disclosure, copying or printing of any information it contains is > strictly prohibited. The opinions expressed in this email are those of the > author and do not necessarily represent the views of 1E Ltd. Nothing in this > email will operate to bind 1E to any order or other contract. > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed > and may contain CONFIDENTIAL material. If you receive this > material/information in error, > please contact the sender and delete or destroy the material/information. > ********************************************************** > Electronic Mail is not secure, may not be read every day, and should not be > used for urgent or sensitive issues > ________________________________ > Legal Notice: This email is intended only for the person(s) to whom it is > addressed. If you are not an intended recipient and have received this > message in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this > email or calling +44(0) 2083269015 (UK) or +1 866 592 4214 (USA). This email > and any attachments may be privileged and/or confidential. The unauthorized > use, disclosure, copying or printing of any information it contains is > strictly prohibited. The opinions expressed in this email are those of the > author and do not necessarily represent the views of 1E Ltd. Nothing in this > email will operate to bind 1E to any order or other contract.
