I like "Modern" devices better than "Mobile" and that's what I am hearing when talking to product team folks.
From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Rod Trent Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 1:38 PM To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com Subject: RE: [mssms] RE: (OT) Vendor list for Ignite? And, really it’s not about devices – or at least what we think computing devices are today. I see Intune taking on additional management capabilities in the near future to manage even IoT and wearables. At least, it has to. It should actually be “mobility management” From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com> [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Michael Niehaus Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 2:22 PM To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:mssms@lists.myitforum.com> Subject: RE: [mssms] RE: (OT) Vendor list for Ignite? Yes, “mobile device management” isn’t just for mobile devices ☺ Windows Intune has its own agent, or with Windows 8.1 and above it can use OMA-DM protocols that are built into the OS. With Windows 8.1, those are fairly limited, so the focus is more on BYOD scenarios (for desktops) and lightweight management (phones and desktops). For Windows 10, there will be more capabilities added (explored in detail at Ignite). Of course Intune also does iOS, Android, etc. Thanks, -Michael From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com> [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Heaton, Joseph@Wildlife Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 8:14 PM To: 'mssms@lists.myitforum.com' Subject: RE: [mssms] RE: (OT) Vendor list for Ignite? Looks like I really need to read up on Intune. I thought it was just for mobile devices, but it seems I’m completely wrong on that. From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com> [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of rodtr...@myitforum.com<mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 4:40 PM To: SMS Subject: Re: [mssms] RE: (OT) Vendor list for Ignite? I was there for the actual keynote. There's a bit of semantics going on. Workloads for the foreseeable future can mean a number of things, and there's been a LOT of activity in the background since that keynote. The core message is that Microsoft intends to support customers - not products. Microsoft understands that customers are inherently slow to adopt new products that require massive migrations. There are customers still running CM 2007, even SMS 2003. So, when it's said that CM will be supported for the foreseeable future, it means as long as customers are still running it. Focus is on Intune right now, and has been for a long while. CM may see some improvements, but only in areas where it makes sense to the Microsoft vision. Don't expect major new features. For example, one of the bigger features we'll see in the Fall for CM 2012 R2 is better integration with Intune. App and OS delivery are the only real pieces of CM that can't be Cloud-based right now, but that change is coming. Microsoft will attempt to make Windows 10 the compelling reason for customers to move to Intune with changes in how apps and the OS delivers. From: 'Bill Bernat'<mailto:bill.ber...@adaptiva.com> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 2:09 PM To: SMS<mailto:mssms@lists.myitforum.com> It’s a fascinating topic. Here’s a recent take from Brad Anderson: http://redmondmag.com/articles/2015/02/23/system-center-configuration-manager-future.aspx. -billb From: Andreas Hammarskjöld <jun...@2pintsoftware.com<mailto:jun...@2pintsoftware.com>> Reply-To: "mssms@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:mssms@lists.myitforum.com>" <mssms@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:mssms@lists.myitforum.com>> Date: Friday, February 27, 2015 at 10:58 AM To: "mssms@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:mssms@lists.myitforum.com>" <mssms@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:mssms@lists.myitforum.com>> Subject: RE: [mssms] RE: (OT) Vendor list for Ignite? But also remember what wise men say: “One does not just migrate 20 years of code in to Mordor… sorry the Cloud” MS focuses primarily on the Cloud right now, but we all know were few people actually use it. Does Intune even cover 1% of the ConfigMgr install base? And I am not talking purchased or licensed, I am talking about deployed. So MS faces the options to put in a few years to make Intune better with zero new stuff in ConfigMgr, which will make existing customer base angry, making future sells harder. Alternative is to do a split where some like 70% goes towards the Cloud and 30% to keep customer happy enough. But that won’t make the “market” people as they want a good story and strong figures on cloud and market share in that. The lack of ConfigMgr sessions at these events since there are very few new features, i.e. not so much dev time for our friend ConfigMgr. In my previous role at my old company I was in exactly the same spot as MS. I had to develop new things for the cloud, and still maintain good ol’ “slow moving software”. It’s not an easy game. MS will make most mistake’s again with Intune as they did with ConfigMgr, because people are like that. Writing new code generates bugs, period, since developers are human. So it will be slower than they think, and when no new stuff comes to existing platform owners they will start not to renew Enterprise deals since there is a lack of roadmap, people will raise hell internally. And then God knows what will happen. So basically, Microsoft has to develop a kick-ass Intune with the same feature set that it took them 20 years to put into ConfigMgr + more. And this they have to do in a very short timeframe before losing new or existing customers. I think I recall that ConfigMgr 2012 was 9 million lines of code and the test tools had 4.5 million, so to finish in 5 years time they have to check in more than 12000 perfect lines of code each day. You do the math! ☺ Anyhow, my 2 cents after having 2Pints! So conditions do apply, now off to pester mr Arwidmark and Mikael Nyström on Twitter! //A From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com> [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Ed Aldrich Sent: den 27 februari 2015 19:28 To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:mssms@lists.myitforum.com> Subject: RE: [mssms] RE: (OT) Vendor list for Ignite? “I'm trying to interpret these marketing and materials changes to understand what MS will be pushing in the years to come. “ As far as us in the CfgMgr world are concerned, rest assured that the future holds cloud enabled management... Current initiatives around Intune show that clearly... while it still has a way to go before its prime-time ready, it is the future.... toss in a more homogenous AppStore story across platforms and their respective devices, and the picture begins to become clear. Jeff Gilbert’s recently published (co-authored) book Enterprise Mobility Suite Managing BYOD and Company-Owned Devices<http://www.amazon.com/Enterprise-Mobility-Managing-Company-Owned-Devices/dp/0735698406/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1425061383&sr=1-1&keywords=jeff+gilbert> is a great place to start learning, along with any number of Microsoft blogs that focus on Intune. Ed Aldrich Mobile: (401) 924-2293 ed.aldr...@1e.com<mailto:ed.aldr...@1e.com>| www.1e.com<http://www.1e.com/> [Description: Description: cid:image011.png@01CAD56A.EFDE3F90] Ent Cli Mgmt (2003-2014) From:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com> [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Owen Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 10:34 AM To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:mssms@lists.myitforum.com> Subject: Re: [mssms] RE: (OT) Vendor list for Ignite? Guys, let's not bash these conference bags. Some of us look forward to them very much (I don't have one yet :( )! I've also got to say based on what I've seen from the Channel 9 / TechEd videos. There was some seriously great and juicy stuff from previous TechEd's, some of which helped shape my SCCM knowledge (Niehaus, your's from TechEd were AWESOME!). You can really see a decline in that content volume recently. I think everyone has said it already, there is a lot that MS is transitioning too. I'm trying to interpret these marketing and materials changes to understand what MS will be pushing in the years to come. On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 6:30 PM, Michael Niehaus <michael.nieh...@microsoft.com<mailto:michael.nieh...@microsoft.com>> wrote: My personal opinion, not Microsoft’s ☺ I agree very much with the highlighted parts below. But just because it’s a forward-looking event focused on roadmap and where everything is going, that doesn’t mean that there isn’t a community aspect. Just expect the community aspect to be more like The Krewe (probably 90% social/networking) than like MyITForum (probably 70% technical conversation/how-to, 30% social/networking). Where I tend to disagree with people is in regards to the bashing of Ignite/TechEd/other large Microsoft events. Ignite has its place, and for those that focus on what’s next, it should be considered essential – at least acknowledge that. And that’s not for everyone. For those that live in the here-and-now, well, then maybe you should consider events that focus more on the here-and-now: training on current versions, troubleshooting and notes-from-the-field with live releases, compare notes with like-minded (and similarly challenged) individuals, etc. (For those of you running those events, please focus on the position: Market your events based on their strengths, not by comparing yourself to Ignite.) I’ve been campaigning for more ConfigMgr sessions too, but even if these come I wouldn’t expect them to spend much time on existing releases, except to talk about how they are changing, how you can upgrade, new features/roadmap, etc. If you really want to know how to better use the ConfigMgr app model that hasn’t changed much since 2012, or how to best deploy OS updates to Windows 7, well, we’ve got session recordings on Channel 9 that already cover that ☺ When I was in enterprise IT (granted, that was over 11 years ago now), I considered TechEd to be the one must-attend conference each year. That reflected what I did: I was an enterprise infrastructure and desktop architect, responsible for a variety of Microsoft-related technologies, and it was the only place where I could find out where I needed to be heading (for my company) in the coming year. Ignite continues in that tradition. Thanks, -Michael From:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com> [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com>] On Behalf Of Rod Trent Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 12:04 PM To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:mssms@lists.myitforum.com> Subject: RE: [mssms] RE: (OT) Vendor list for Ignite? You really are trying to goad me onto my soapbox, aren’t you? The problem is highlighted in your text below. Fix that and we may be able to find our way back to a technical event that this group wants to attend. ☺ I’ll make this brief. We worked extremely hard for MMS each year to ensure there was enough technical content, despite it being run by marketing. That effort was a LOT of work that a lot of people don’t realize. In 2013, just prior to TechEd 2014, we lost our advocates and those left refused to listen. Result: TechEd 2014 for MMS folks was a joke. New year, brand new event – marketing still making the decisions, and we have a total of 5 events rolled into one. Ignite will be bigger and the focus is clearly on roadmap. That doesn’t hold much hope for those whose bosses demand a certain level of technical value. And, for this community, with a smattering of ConfigMgr sessions coming, they can get the same value just by gathering teams members around a desk and streaming the keynotes in the office. There’s very little hope to turn Ignite into a ConfigMgr or on-premises management heavy event no matter how much feedback is given. That’s simply not Microsoft’s focus and direction. However, that all said, it’s not all doom and gloom for me. I’m looking forward to it (mostly out of curiosity) and Ignite better represents my focus these days. But, then again, I’m not dealing with the technical issues that this community is day-in and day-out. That’s where smaller, more intimate events like the new MMS provide such a great opportunity for specific groups of people. In my opinion, Microsoft should just produce the best event it can in Ignite. Make it Microsoft’s VMWorld – because really that’s the intent: one message to the biggest crowd possible. But, give up trying to appease the communities. Instead, invest time, resources, and marketing dollars in community led events. Go where the communities are – don’t expect to be able to force them to come to you. That makes it less stressful for everyone. From:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com> [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Czechowski Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 2:26 PM To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:mssms@lists.myitforum.com> Subject: RE: [mssms] RE: (OT) Vendor list for Ignite? What a coincidence, we were just talking about “slow moving software” in this morning’s Shiproom…. To reiterate Michael’s comments, our marketing team is working on this, even talking with BradAnd, and as I hear have until 2/27 to publish. The list I’ve seen so far includes three additional sessions specific to ConfigMgr – and we’re doing what we can to get more added. At least one of those will be 300+ level (I’m the content owner – unfortunately just don’t know yet whether I’ll be presenting it…). Honestly, this is all awesome feedback. I’ve shared some of your comments verbatim with marketing and leadership so that they understand your frustrations. I definitely can’t promise that will change anything in the next several months, but I hope helps inform strategy decisions in the future. And please don’t let this put any damper on the discussion – it’s why I’ve been on this list for so many years. ☺ Aaron From:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com> [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Sherry Kissinger Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 11:03 AM To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:mssms@lists.myitforum.com> Subject: Re: [mssms] RE: (OT) Vendor list for Ignite? Nash, don't be dissin' SMS er... SCCM er... ConfigMgr er... oh, what's your name today? On Thursday, February 19, 2015 12:56 PM, Nash Pherson <na...@nowmicro.com<mailto:na...@nowmicro.com>> wrote: ConfigMgr is being renamed “exasperating and sometimes downright obnoxious”? Microsoft EaSDO: For all your systems management needs. From:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com> [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Rod Trent Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 12:45 PM To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:mssms@lists.myitforum.com> Subject: RE: [mssms] RE: (OT) Vendor list for Ignite? Product name just hasn’t changed yet. ☺ If you want a more accurate name, look at what Microsoft calls the MVPs in that area. From:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com> [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Eric Groff Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 1:39 PM To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:mssms@lists.myitforum.com> Subject: RE: [mssms] RE: (OT) Vendor list for Ignite? What's in a name? Microsoft System Center Configuration Manager Sent from my Windows Phone From: Rod Trent<mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com> Sent: 2/19/2015 12:13 To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:mssms@lists.myitforum.com> Subject: RE: [mssms] RE: (OT) Vendor list for Ignite? More will be added for System Center and Server. That much is true. However, when I was told that, I was also told that Configuration Manager is not really considered to be part of System Center any longer. So, don’t expect many more ConfigMgr sessions to post. There’s clear reasons behind this. Also consider that Ignite now uses a sort of aged “editorial calendar” method for sessions. Microsoft has the decks with the proper messaging, and then the Ignite teams will source the speakers they believe fit the decks best. I’ll leave it at that. I almost, *almost*, went off on a soapbox tangent for both preceding paragraphs. But, you all are smart enough to figure it out. From:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com> [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Troy Martin Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 12:45 PM To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:mssms@lists.myitforum.com> Subject: RE: [mssms] RE: (OT) Vendor list for Ignite? As of Saturday, 5 ConfigMgr sessions - http://bit.ly/1Etbsab Troy L. Martin | Product Manager, Endpoint Automation Provision software, not infrastructure US Mobile: +1 (678) 898-6147<tel:%2B1%20%28678%29%20898-6147> UK Phone : +44 208 326 9141<tel:%2B44%20208%20326%209141> troy.mar...@1e.com<mailto:troy.mar...@1e.com>| www.1e.com<http://www.1e.com/> <http://www.1e.com/> <http://www.1e.com/> From:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Harjit Dhaliwal Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 11:44 AM To:mssms@lists.myitforum.com Subject: Re: [mssms] RE: (OT) Vendor list for Ignite?<http://www.1e.com/> <http://www.1e.com/> I think you are being a little swift with your assumptions. The full session catalog has not been completed and Ignite has mentioned that they are going to be adding much more to the catalog including System Center stuff. There are quite a few of us from the ConfigMgr community who will be attending the conference. -Harjit<http://www.1e.com/> On 2/19/2015 11:36 AM, Andreas Hammarskjöld wrote:<http://www.1e.com/> Hey Ivan,<http://www.1e.com/> <http://www.1e.com/> If you are looking for ConfigMgr integration Ignite might not be your best place to hunt. The total lack of ConfigMgr sessions have led to the ConfigMgr community already renamed the conference MS Ignore (for several reasons).<http://www.1e.com/> <http://www.1e.com/> Might change, although unlikely, but damage is already done.<http://www.1e.com/> <http://www.1e.com/> //A<http://www.1e.com/> <http://www.1e.com/> From:mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Troy Martin Sent: den 19 februari 2015 17:24 To:mssms@lists.myitforum.com Subject: [mssms] RE: (OT) Vendor list for Ignite?<http://www.1e.com/> <http://www.1e.com/> Hey Ivan,<http://www.1e.com/> <http://www.1e.com/> Have them stop by the 1E booth. In the meantime, check out our site - http://www.1e.com/appclarity-software-asset-management/<http://www.1e.com/> <http://www.1e.com/> <http://www.1e.com/> Thanks ☺<http://www.1e.com/> <http://www.1e.com/> Troy L. 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We don’t see a vendor list on the Ignite web site.<http://www.1e.com/> <http://www.1e.com/> It would go a long way toward justifying the trip.<http://www.1e.com/> <http://www.1e.com/> Thanks for any pointers.<http://www.1e.com/> <http://www.1e.com/> Ivan Lindenfeld<http://www.1e.com/> <http://www.1e.com/> NOTICE: The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential and may be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication, you are hereby notified to: (i) delete the message and all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any manner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. <http://www.1e.com/> <http://www.1e.com/> <http://www.1e.com/> Legal Notice: This email is intended only for the person(s) to whom it is addressed. If you are not an intended recipient and have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this email or calling +44(0) 2083269015 (UK) or +1 866 592 4214 (USA). 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