I know both companies - believe me, they will adapt. The whole reason they exist is because they can! The cloud is what you make it - use what you can, discard the rest. If I could manage and/or monitor everything and not have to rely on local infrastructure resources, while maintaining the same level of security/support/cost - well, that's an easy answer. In the real world you often have to choose 2 out of the 3 :) Honestly, as time marches on, I suspect it will make a lot more sense to a lot more companies. Especially as the workforce moves away from the traditional connected workstation we all know and love. Then consider the gains you have in BC/BUR, load balancing, etc... Most of this boils down to cost, though - the cloud is expensive, and does this make financial sense for your company?
The cloud is not evil, it's fire. Good or bad, use it how you will. Back on topic - I went to 10+ years of MMS - dropped more beers than I recall. I have no need or want to go to Ignite. I would rather brave the Great White North (tm) in winter to attend a real MMS than hit a conference that isn't offering what I want. Between SCU, the new MMS, and DevConnections, I don't see a need for anything else - they all rock. Add in things like local user groups, Channel 9, and of course the old forums, what else do you need? From: [email protected] To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: RE: [mssms] RE: (OT) Vendor list for Ignite? Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2015 02:02:36 +0000 For me, the shift in mindset as a ConfigMgr admin to managing from the cloud. Larger focus on network and security that I really don't have to think about today. I wonder how vendors like 1e and Adaptiva will adapt in a cloud first future. It's change and change can always be a little scary and exciting. -----Original Message----- From: David O'Brien [[email protected]] Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 08:31 PM Eastern Standard Time To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [mssms] RE: (OT) Vendor list for Ignite? What exactly is the scary bit here? (since I'm being quoted...) Sent from my Windows Phone From: Daniel Ratliff Sent: 28/02/2015 6:53 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [mssms] RE: (OT) Vendor list for Ignite? A scary thought on Twitter this morning from Peter Egerton. https://twitter.com/david_obrien/status/571068420298420225 Host the #configmgr site on Azure / Cloud and just have a DP on site. Would that be a bad thing? Daniel Ratliff From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bill Bernat Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 2:09 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [mssms] RE: (OT) Vendor list for Ignite? It’s a fascinating topic. Here’s a recent take from Brad Anderson: http://redmondmag.com/articles/2015/02/23/system-center-configuration-manager-future.aspx. -billb From: Andreas Hammarskjöld <[email protected]> Reply-To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Date: Friday, February 27, 2015 at 10:58 AM To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Subject: RE: [mssms] RE: (OT) Vendor list for Ignite? But also remember what wise men say: “One does not just migrate 20 years of code in to Mordor… sorry the Cloud” MS focuses primarily on the Cloud right now, but we all know were few people actually use it. Does Intune even cover 1% of the ConfigMgr install base? And I am not talking purchased or licensed, I am talking about deployed. So MS faces the options to put in a few years to make Intune better with zero new stuff in ConfigMgr, which will make existing customer base angry, making future sells harder. Alternative is to do a split where some like 70% goes towards the Cloud and 30% to keep customer happy enough. But that won’t make the “market” people as they want a good story and strong figures on cloud and market share in that. The lack of ConfigMgr sessions at these events since there are very few new features, i.e. not so much dev time for our friend ConfigMgr. In my previous role at my old company I was in exactly the same spot as MS. I had to develop new things for the cloud, and still maintain good ol’ “slow moving software”. It’s not an easy game. MS will make most mistake’s again with Intune as they did with ConfigMgr, because people are like that. Writing new code generates bugs, period, since developers are human. So it will be slower than they think, and when no new stuff comes to existing platform owners they will start not to renew Enterprise deals since there is a lack of roadmap, people will raise hell internally. And then God knows what will happen. So basically, Microsoft has to develop a kick-ass Intune with the same feature set that it took them 20 years to put into ConfigMgr + more. And this they have to do in a very short timeframe before losing new or existing customers. I think I recall that ConfigMgr 2012 was 9 million lines of code and the test tools had 4.5 million, so to finish in 5 years time they have to check in more than 12000 perfect lines of code each day. You do the math! J Anyhow, my 2 cents after having 2Pints! So conditions do apply, now off to pester mr Arwidmark and Mikael Nyström on Twitter! //A From:[email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ed Aldrich Sent: den 27 februari 2015 19:28 To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [mssms] RE: (OT) Vendor list for Ignite? “I'm trying to interpret these marketing and materials changes to understand what MS will be pushing in the years to come. “ As far as us in the CfgMgr world are concerned, rest assured that the future holds cloud enabled management... Current initiatives around Intune show that clearly... while it still has a way to go before its prime-time ready, it is the future.... toss in a more homogenous AppStore story across platforms and their respective devices, and the picture begins to become clear. Jeff Gilbert’s recently published (co-authored) book Enterprise Mobility Suite Managing BYOD and Company-Owned Devices is a great place to start learning, along with any number of Microsoft blogs that focus on Intune. Ed Aldrich Mobile: (401) 924-2293 [email protected]| www.1e.com Ent Cli Mgmt (2003-2014) From:[email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Stephen Owen Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 10:34 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [mssms] RE: (OT) Vendor list for Ignite? Guys, let's not bash these conference bags. Some of us look forward to them very much (I don't have one yet :( )! I've also got to say based on what I've seen from the Channel 9 / TechEd videos. There was some seriously great and juicy stuff from previous TechEd's, some of which helped shape my SCCM knowledge (Niehaus, your's from TechEd were AWESOME!). You can really see a decline in that content volume recently. I think everyone has said it already, there is a lot that MS is transitioning too. I'm trying to interpret these marketing and materials changes to understand what MS will be pushing in the years to come. On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 6:30 PM, Michael Niehaus <[email protected]> wrote: My personal opinion, not Microsoft’s J I agree very much with the highlighted parts below. But just because it’s a forward-looking event focused on roadmap and where everything is going, that doesn’t mean that there isn’t a community aspect. Just expect the community aspect to be more like The Krewe (probably 90% social/networking) than like MyITForum (probably 70% technical conversation/how-to, 30% social/networking). Where I tend to disagree with people is in regards to the bashing of Ignite/TechEd/other large Microsoft events. Ignite has its place, and for those that focus on what’s next, it should be considered essential – at least acknowledge that. And that’s not for everyone. For those that live in the here-and-now, well, then maybe you should consider events that focus more on the here-and-now: training on current versions, troubleshooting and notes-from-the-field with live releases, compare notes with like-minded (and similarly challenged) individuals, etc. (For those of you running those events, please focus on the position: Market your events based on their strengths, not by comparing yourself to Ignite.) I’ve been campaigning for more ConfigMgr sessions too, but even if these come I wouldn’t expect them to spend much time on existing releases, except to talk about how they are changing, how you can upgrade, new features/roadmap, etc. If you really want to know how to better use the ConfigMgr app model that hasn’t changed much since 2012, or how to best deploy OS updates to Windows 7, well, we’ve got session recordings on Channel 9 that already cover that J When I was in enterprise IT (granted, that was over 11 years ago now), I considered TechEd to be the one must-attend conference each year. That reflected what I did: I was an enterprise infrastructure and desktop architect, responsible for a variety of Microsoft-related technologies, and it was the only place where I could find out where I needed to be heading (for my company) in the coming year. Ignite continues in that tradition. Thanks, -Michael From:[email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Rod Trent Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 12:04 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [mssms] RE: (OT) Vendor list for Ignite? You really are trying to goad me onto my soapbox, aren’t you? The problem is highlighted in your text below. Fix that and we may be able to find our way back to a technical event that this group wants to attend. J I’ll make this brief. We worked extremely hard for MMS each year to ensure there was enough technical content, despite it being run by marketing. That effort was a LOT of work that a lot of people don’t realize. In 2013, just prior to TechEd 2014, we lost our advocates and those left refused to listen. Result: TechEd 2014 for MMS folks was a joke. New year, brand new event – marketing still making the decisions, and we have a total of 5 events rolled into one. Ignite will be bigger and the focus is clearly on roadmap. That doesn’t hold much hope for those whose bosses demand a certain level of technical value. And, for this community, with a smattering of ConfigMgr sessions coming, they can get the same value just by gathering teams members around a desk and streaming the keynotes in the office. There’s very little hope to turn Ignite into a ConfigMgr or on-premises management heavy event no matter how much feedback is given. That’s simply not Microsoft’s focus and direction. However, that all said, it’s not all doom and gloom for me. I’m looking forward to it (mostly out of curiosity) and Ignite better represents my focus these days. But, then again, I’m not dealing with the technical issues that this community is day-in and day-out. That’s where smaller, more intimate events like the new MMS provide such a great opportunity for specific groups of people. In my opinion, Microsoft should just produce the best event it can in Ignite. Make it Microsoft’s VMWorld – because really that’s the intent: one message to the biggest crowd possible. But, give up trying to appease the communities. Instead, invest time, resources, and marketing dollars in community led events. Go where the communities are – don’t expect to be able to force them to come to you. That makes it less stressful for everyone. From:[email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Aaron Czechowski Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 2:26 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [mssms] RE: (OT) Vendor list for Ignite? What a coincidence, we were just talking about “slow moving software” in this morning’s Shiproom…. To reiterate Michael’s comments, our marketing team is working on this, even talking with BradAnd, and as I hear have until 2/27 to publish. The list I’ve seen so far includes three additional sessions specific to ConfigMgr – and we’re doing what we can to get more added. At least one of those will be 300+ level (I’m the content owner – unfortunately just don’t know yet whether I’ll be presenting it…). Honestly, this is all awesome feedback. I’ve shared some of your comments verbatim with marketing and leadership so that they understand your frustrations. I definitely can’t promise that will change anything in the next several months, but I hope helps inform strategy decisions in the future. And please don’t let this put any damper on the discussion – it’s why I’ve been on this list for so many years. J Aaron From:[email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sherry Kissinger Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 11:03 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [mssms] RE: (OT) Vendor list for Ignite? Nash, don't be dissin' SMS er... SCCM er... ConfigMgr er... oh, what's your name today? On Thursday, February 19, 2015 12:56 PM, Nash Pherson <[email protected]> wrote: ConfigMgr is being renamed “exasperating and sometimes downright obnoxious”? Microsoft EaSDO: For all your systems management needs. From:[email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Rod Trent Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 12:45 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [mssms] RE: (OT) Vendor list for Ignite? Product name just hasn’t changed yet. J If you want a more accurate name, look at what Microsoft calls the MVPs in that area. From:[email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Eric Groff Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 1:39 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [mssms] RE: (OT) Vendor list for Ignite? What's in a name? Microsoft System Center Configuration Manager Sent from my Windows Phone From: Rod Trent Sent: 2/19/2015 12:13 To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [mssms] RE: (OT) Vendor list for Ignite? More will be added for System Center and Server. That much is true. However, when I was told that, I was also told that Configuration Manager is not really considered to be part of System Center any longer. So, don’t expect many more ConfigMgr sessions to post. There’s clear reasons behind this. Also consider that Ignite now uses a sort of aged “editorial calendar” method for sessions. Microsoft has the decks with the proper messaging, and then the Ignite teams will source the speakers they believe fit the decks best. I’ll leave it at that. I almost, *almost*, went off on a soapbox tangent for both preceding paragraphs. But, you all are smart enough to figure it out. From:[email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Troy Martin Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 12:45 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [mssms] RE: (OT) Vendor list for Ignite? As of Saturday, 5 ConfigMgr sessions - http://bit.ly/1Etbsab Troy L. Martin | Product Manager, Endpoint Automation Provision software, not infrastructure US Mobile: +1 (678) 898-6147 UK Phone : +44 208 326 9141 [email protected]| www.1e.com From:[email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Harjit Dhaliwal Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 11:44 AM To:[email protected] Subject: Re: [mssms] RE: (OT) Vendor list for Ignite? I think you are being a little swift with your assumptions. The full session catalog has not been completed and Ignite has mentioned that they are going to be adding much more to the catalog including System Center stuff. There are quite a few of us from the ConfigMgr community who will be attending the conference. -Harjit On 2/19/2015 11:36 AM, Andreas Hammarskjöld wrote: Hey Ivan, If you are looking for ConfigMgr integration Ignite might not be your best place to hunt. The total lack of ConfigMgr sessions have led to the ConfigMgr community already renamed the conference MS Ignore (for several reasons). Might change, although unlikely, but damage is already done. //A From:mailto:[email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Troy Martin Sent: den 19 februari 2015 17:24 To:[email protected] Subject: [mssms] RE: (OT) Vendor list for Ignite? Hey Ivan, Have them stop by the 1E booth. In the meantime, check out our site - http://www.1e.com/appclarity-software-asset-management/ Thanks J Troy L. Martin | Product Manager, Endpoint Automation Provision software, not infrastructure US Mobile: +1 (678) 898-6147 UK Phone : +44 208 326 9141 [email protected]| www.1e.com From:mailto:[email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lindenfeld, Ivan Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 10:57 AM To:[email protected] Subject: [mssms] (OT) Vendor list for Ignite? I have a colleague in the ITAM space wanting to shop but needs to make sure hunting will be rich. We don’t see a vendor list on the Ignite web site. It would go a long way toward justifying the trip. Thanks for any pointers. 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