Steve, are you saying that you share your task lists with your clients? If so then I totally get the need for segmentation, and I would say that your 30-file limit on MLO is a very appropriate deal for you, -Dwîght
On August 6, 2023 3:39:28 AM EDT, Steven Barnett <st...@sabarnett.co.uk> wrote: >I don’t charge my clients. I’m retired and do this for the fun and to keep my >brain active, so separate licences isn’t an option. > >There are definitely opportunities where I could merge files. My flight log v1 >is ‘finished’ so I use that file for managing bugs. My v2 is nearing the end >of development so has a couple of features I need to finish. My v3 is in >requirements gathering so is pretty dynamic and gets exposed regularly to the >client I am developing it with. I could put these in a single file but that >risks exposing my bug list and my development list to a client who doesn’t >need to know. Especially if I decide to move some of the functionality from v2 >to v3. It does not pay to set expectations that you cannot achieve. > > >While developing v2 I also developed an XCFramework for a PDF generator. >That’s a generic library that is not specific to the flight log and that will >be used in other apps. I put that into a separate file so I could focus on it >without the distraction of the outstanding v2 and v3 work. > > >While developing that, I also decided there were activities that I only did >occasionally and that took too long. I wanted a tool for the Mac that could >help me with these things, so I put that into a separate file because it’s an >internal tool and for the Mac rather than a client tool for iOS. > > >Having them in separate files allows me to narrow my focus to the task in >hand. When you’re juggling a number of projects, focus is your best friend. >Yes, I could put all of these into one file and have the top most level be the >logical separation, but that makes it too easy to update the wrong project and >to expose information I do not want to share with a client. > > >It is absolutely vital that client facing information is kept separate from >anything internal. > > >The ‘one file’ concept may work for you and others. It doesn’t work for me. >Extrapolating, I only need one Word document. Word supports sections in a >document so every separate document could be a section in one file. I can edit >one section at a time and can print a page range, so why would I want to >create separate documents? It’s even better to have one document because I >could ensure the same styles for everything I produce. Same argument for Excel >as it has thousands of cells and multiple tabs. I could have one tab per >project. Why would I want separate files. Apart from organisation, of course. >Mind you, if I only had one Word and one Excel document their organisation >would be easy. > > >Pushing to extremes, I could have one SQL database and use schemas to separate >dev, Q&A, uat and prod tables. It’s possible. What could possibly go wrong? > > >Maybe I’m not using MLO correctly. I’m using it as a brain storming tool to >flesh out a new release of a product or web site and then as a project >management tool to deliver the new release. I’ve always designed and developed >a new release starting with a new project. No professional project manager >would go with a single project file for all releases, past and future. > > >I could bang on for hours on the advantage of separate files. I suspect every >argument I make could be refuted in favour of a single file. My past >experience had led to separate files. Yours has led to a single file. That’s >the nice thing about being human; we’re not all the same. > > >Maybe you’re right. Maybe I should look for another tool. MLO have given me 30 >files for now and that’s plenty for what I am doing. > > >I suppose I could go back to Dynalist which gives me unlimited files for free. >I prefer MLO though. I could go back to CarbonFin Outliner, but that’s iPad >only and I had to write my own Windows application to read the files (I’m not >yet competent enough to write a Mac client - but I’m getting there). I prefer >MLO though as I can run Windows, iOS and Mac. > > >I’ve written software in the past where I had a clear definition of how it was >to be used and what could be achieved with it. Then customers got hold of it >and did amazing things I had never contemplated. That’s the joy of writing >software. Quite often I thought to myself that users were using it wrong… >that’s not what I intended. But the fact that they could use it how they >wanted to use it and not how I prescribed it should be used was so satisfying. >MLO have done the same. They let me use it how I want to use it and, when I >came up against an arbitrary limitation, they fixed the limit. All credit to >them. > >Steve Barnett > > >On 5 Aug 2023, at 23:23, imajeff <imaj...@gmail.com> wrote: > >Steve could you enlighten me on what is less managable? I simply put >unrelated tasks in separate folders. The only reason I have two actual files >is because one is for my employer and the other is personal, on my devices at >home. > >If I was working with a file for each client say in my contract work and it >was necessary to keep each database separate, then mybe it would be worth >charging enough to pay a separate license for each client. > >Then again, Andre did say you could arrange to have more than 10 for some >special case, so I'm happy to see that's possible. > >On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 12:52:54 PM UTC-6 Steven Barnett wrote: > >I get it. So much of software is compromises and you set a limit. I appreciate >that and fully understand your reasoning. From my side, having spent the last >45 years writing software and managing projects (simple and scarily complex) >I’ve developed the habit of separating projects. > >I love using MLO for managing the projects I am involved in now I’m retired >but old habits die hard and splitting projects that are not logically >connected is second nature. I could merge some of my projects and reduce the >file count but that would make them less manageable. > > >MLO does everything I want of it. It’s an excellent tool. I do my thinking on >the iPad, sync to the Mac when doing Mac development and sync to Windows for >everything else and for printing. It’s a great workflow. > > >My previous tool (CarbonFin Outliner) was a good tool and solved the problem >by letting me sync to OneDrive. Sadly, it has no Mac app and the iPad app >won’t run on the M2 Mac. I wrote my own tool for Windows. Syncing to OneDrive >was its major advantage. MLO beats it hands down in every other way. > > >Maybe I need a different project management package. I doubt that would work >for me as MLO doesn’t over complicate things the way full project management >tools do. > > >Maybe you could take a tiered approach to cloud. I’d happily pay a little >extra for the extra files. > >Steve Barnett >st...@sabarnett.co.uk > > >On 4 Aug 2023, at 19:13, Andrey Tkachuk (MLO) <mlo.andr...@gmail.com> wrote: > >Hi Steve, > > >>I seem to have hit a limit on the number of projects I can sync to the cloud >>sync service > >Yes, by default there is a limit of 10 cloud files (not MLO projects) that a >user can synchronize with one account. > > >>Bit of a pain, but at least they acknowledge the problem nd, who knows, they >>my fix it before I renew. > >This is more of a limitation than a problem. Since we pay Amazon Web Services >for each request to the MLO cloud, we had to set a limit to prevent abuse of >the system and control the workload. >The limit we set is satisfactory for almost all of our users. In addition, we >can increase the limit manually for some users who request it. >In the future, we will consider how to optimize this behavior for users >requiring more resources while keeping the load manageable. > > >Thanks, > >Andrey. > >On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 2:53:18 AM UTC+3 st...@sabarnett.co.uk wrote: > >I had a response today. Apparently there is a limit of 10 and, if you need >more, they have to update it manually. I will have to contact them whenever I >renew my cloud sync because it will revert to 10 each time I renew. Bit of a >pain, but at least they acknowledge the problem nd, who knows, they my fix it >before I renew. > >On Tuesday, 1 August 2023 at 23:12:20 UTC+1 dti...@gmail.com wrote: > >I've never run into this. I just did a quick count and have a little under 40 >active projects. > >On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 7:25:08 AM UTC-5 Steven Barnett wrote: > >I seem to have hit a limit on the number of projects I can sync to the cloud >sync service. It has limited me to 10. I tend to do a lot of small projects, >so have a lot of separate outlines to sync at the same time. Now I’m stuck on >the 11th because I cannot sync it. > >I contacted support, but got no response. Does anyone here know how I might >get round this limit please? 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