@steve, wouldnt it be easier to: - ideate solutions with mural.co - e.g. - let MLO to the job just for you in one file for all clients - - with a archiving concept that then lead to two MLO files and many mural.co-canvases
==> simpler and more effective overall handling by purpose built tools? :) Steve Barnett schrieb am Sonntag, 6. August 2023 um 22:45:03 UTC+2: > I brainstorm with the clients. As a rule they tell me what to write. It’s > then my job to guide them to a solution that fills their needs and enhances > the product for everyone else. That is best done in an interactive session > where we use a tool like MLO to capture the requirement. > > Sent by Steve > > On 6 Aug 2023, at 21:25, Dwight <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Steve, are you saying that you share your task lists with your clients? If > so then I totally get the need for segmentation, and I would say that your > 30-file limit on MLO is a very appropriate deal for you, > -Dwîght > > > On August 6, 2023 3:39:28 AM EDT, Steven Barnett <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> I don’t charge my clients. I’m retired and do this for the fun and to >> keep my brain active, so separate licences isn’t an option. >> >> There are definitely opportunities where I could merge files. My flight >> log v1 is ‘finished’ so I use that file for managing bugs. My v2 is >> nearing the end of development so has a couple of features I need to >> finish. My v3 is in requirements gathering so is pretty dynamic and gets >> exposed regularly to the client I am developing it with. I could put these >> in a single file but that risks exposing my bug list and my development >> list to a client who doesn’t need to know. Especially if I decide to move >> some of the functionality from v2 to v3. It does not pay to set >> expectations that you cannot achieve. >> >> While developing v2 I also developed an XCFramework for a PDF generator. >> That’s a generic library that is not specific to the flight log and that >> will be used in other apps. I put that into a separate file so I could >> focus on it without the distraction of the outstanding v2 and v3 work. >> >> While developing that, I also decided there were activities that I only >> did occasionally and that took too long. I wanted a tool for the Mac that >> could help me with these things, so I put that into a separate file because >> it’s an internal tool and for the Mac rather than a client tool for iOS. >> >> Having them in separate files allows me to narrow my focus to the task in >> hand. When you’re juggling a number of projects, focus is your best friend. >> Yes, I could put all of these into one file and have the top most level be >> the logical separation, but that makes it too easy to update the wrong >> project and to expose information I do not want to share with a client. >> >> It is absolutely vital that client facing information is kept separate >> from anything internal. >> >> The ‘one file’ concept may work for you and others. It doesn’t work for >> me. Extrapolating, I only need one Word document. Word supports sections in >> a document so every separate document could be a section in one file. I can >> edit one section at a time and can print a page range, so why would I want >> to create separate documents? It’s even better to have one document because >> I could ensure the same styles for everything I produce. Same argument for >> Excel as it has thousands of cells and multiple tabs. I could have one tab >> per project. Why would I want separate files. Apart from organisation, of >> course. Mind you, if I only had one Word and one Excel document their >> organisation would be easy. >> >> Pushing to extremes, I could have one SQL database and use schemas to >> separate dev, Q&A, uat and prod tables. It’s possible. What could possibly >> go wrong? >> >> Maybe I’m not using MLO correctly. I’m using it as a brain storming tool >> to flesh out a new release of a product or web site and then as a project >> management tool to deliver the new release. I’ve always designed and >> developed a new release starting with a new project. No professional >> project manager would go with a single project file for all releases, past >> and future. >> >> I could bang on for hours on the advantage of separate files. I suspect >> every argument I make could be refuted in favour of a single file. My past >> experience had led to separate files. Yours has led to a single file. >> That’s the nice thing about being human; we’re not all the same. >> >> Maybe you’re right. Maybe I should look for another tool. MLO have given >> me 30 files for now and that’s plenty for what I am doing. >> >> I suppose I could go back to Dynalist which gives me unlimited files for >> free. I prefer MLO though. I could go back to CarbonFin Outliner, but >> that’s iPad only and I had to write my own Windows application to read the >> files (I’m not yet competent enough to write a Mac client - but I’m getting >> there). I prefer MLO though as I can run Windows, iOS and Mac. >> >> I’ve written software in the past where I had a clear definition of how >> it was to be used and what could be achieved with it. Then customers got >> hold of it and did amazing things I had never contemplated. That’s the joy >> of writing software. Quite often I thought to myself that users were using >> it wrong… that’s not what I intended. But the fact that they could use it >> how they wanted to use it and not how I prescribed it should be used was so >> satisfying. MLO have done the same. They let me use it how I want to use it >> and, when I came up against an arbitrary limitation, they fixed the limit. >> All credit to them. >> >> Steve Barnett >> >> On 5 Aug 2023, at 23:23, imajeff <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Steve could you enlighten me on what is less managable? I simply put >> unrelated tasks in separate folders. The only reason I have two actual >> files is because one is for my employer and the other is personal, on my >> devices at home. >> >> If I was working with a file for each client say in my contract work and >> it was necessary to keep each database separate, then mybe it would be >> worth charging enough to pay a separate license for each client. >> Then again, Andre did say you could arrange to have more than 10 for some >> special case, so I'm happy to see that's possible. >> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 12:52:54 PM UTC-6 Steven Barnett wrote: >> >>> I get it. So much of software is compromises and you set a limit. I >>> appreciate that and fully understand your reasoning. From my side, having >>> spent the last 45 years writing software and managing projects (simple and >>> scarily complex) I’ve developed the habit of separating projects. >>> >>> I love using MLO for managing the projects I am involved in now I’m >>> retired but old habits die hard and splitting projects that are not >>> logically connected is second nature. I could merge some of my projects and >>> reduce the file count but that would make them less manageable. >>> >>> MLO does everything I want of it. It’s an excellent tool. I do my >>> thinking on the iPad, sync to the Mac when doing Mac development and sync >>> to Windows for everything else and for printing. It’s a great workflow. >>> >>> My previous tool (CarbonFin Outliner) was a good tool and solved the >>> problem by letting me sync to OneDrive. Sadly, it has no Mac app and the >>> iPad app won’t run on the M2 Mac. I wrote my own tool for Windows. Syncing >>> to OneDrive was its major advantage. MLO beats it hands down in every other >>> way. >>> >>> Maybe I need a different project management package. I doubt that would >>> work for me as MLO doesn’t over complicate things the way full project >>> management tools do. >>> >>> Maybe you could take a tiered approach to cloud. I’d happily pay a >>> little extra for the extra files. >>> >>> Steve Barnett >>> [email protected] >>> >>> On 4 Aug 2023, at 19:13, Andrey Tkachuk (MLO) <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Steve, >>> >>> >>> >I seem to have hit a limit on the number of projects I can sync to the >>> cloud sync service >>> Yes, by default there is a limit of 10 cloud files (not MLO projects) >>> that a user can synchronize with one account. >>> >>> >Bit of a pain, but at least they acknowledge the problem nd, who knows, >>> they my fix it before I renew. >>> This is more of a limitation than a problem. Since we pay Amazon Web >>> Services for each request to the MLO cloud, we had to set a limit to >>> prevent abuse of the system and control the workload. >>> The limit we set is satisfactory for almost all of our users. In >>> addition, we can increase the limit manually for some users who request it. >>> In the future, we will consider how to optimize this behavior for users >>> requiring more resources while keeping the load manageable. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Andrey. >>> >>> On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 2:53:18 AM UTC+3 [email protected] >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I had a response today. Apparently there is a limit of 10 and, if you >>>> need more, they have to update it manually. I will have to contact them >>>> whenever I renew my cloud sync because it will revert to 10 each time I >>>> renew. Bit of a pain, but at least they acknowledge the problem nd, who >>>> knows, they my fix it before I renew. >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, 1 August 2023 at 23:12:20 UTC+1 [email protected] wrote: >>>> >>>>> I've never run into this. I just did a quick count and have a little >>>>> under 40 active projects. >>>>> >>>>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 7:25:08 AM UTC-5 Steven Barnett wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I seem to have hit a limit on the number of projects I can sync to >>>>>> the cloud sync service. It has limited me to 10. I tend to do a lot of >>>>>> small projects, so have a lot of separate outlines to sync at the same >>>>>> time. Now I’m stuck on the 11th because I cannot sync it. >>>>>> >>>>>> I contacted support, but got no response. Does anyone here know how I >>>>>> might get round this limit please? 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