Rhonda, hi honey! No we are not really disagreeing...the things you described are a little different then the entire nail peeling off in 1-2 days. I agree that clients SHOULD use oil.....and life would be nice IF we all wore gloves. I believe cuticles would be softer and sometimes the acrylic less brittle...and definitely our/their hands would be softer...where we differ is that I think the nails would still be ON....maybe in need of a polish change...maybe even the gel sealant would have changed color...making the p+w's dingy ...or if no sealer... the ac and/or the polish might yellow...the list goes on and on. If any of these things are happening to a client I will always remind them they should wear gloves.... MY skin is different now...either it is my age or the chemo... I can't even clean my counters with a spray cleaner and a paper towel anymore ... without gloves on cause my skin gets really, really dry......BUT (when I had them on) the nails stayed on... Did you see the HRTE pics on FB..I think there is 1 in there of you..nice shot... (albeit a little late ...sorry) thanks everyone!
Pati When life gives you a hundred reasons to cry... Show life that you have a thousand reasons to smile.... -----Original Message----- From: Rhonda Kibuk <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, Oct 28, 2009 9:01 am Subject: NailTech:: Re: NailTech::I agree Pati/ Re: Vent Diana and Pati, I would never YELL at you guys, I love and respect you both entirely too much. I will, however, back up my home care theory with a few first hand, personal experiences. First client, lets call her Denise, she works in a bank, she is concerned about how dirty the money is. She uses an alcohol-based hand sanitizer after EVERY customer. She would come in and her acrylics were not only lifting, but they were brittle. I finally got her to agree to start using cuticle oil throughout the day, we did a new set and here we are over five years later, no problems, no more lifting. Next client, we'll call her Tara, she owns a flower shop and is obsess with the work area being clean. She scrubs her entire work area with bleach water and Comet each and every day. When she would come in for her appointment, she would literally reek of bleach. Her nails would be yellow and so brittle that they would totally crumble off, they were the grossest thing I've ever seen. I agreed to do a new set only if she used oil and wore gloves. Again, never a problem from that point one. Third and final case that I can tink of, lets call her Sara, a bar tender. She was using that wonderful stuff that bars use to sanitize their glasses with ONE hand only. That hand was totally lifting and brittle, surpise here, this was NOT her dominate hand, so it was totally the chemical. Again, I had her agree to wear a glove on that hand and use cuticle oil and problems stop. I think the reason that WE as nail techs can get away with it is because we don't compound the problem by picking. Clients will pick and help it. I am sure you all have seen product that is brittle and crumbly from cleaning supplies. I can tell in one look if someone used a harsh chemical without gloves. Now, I get very new people, my book is pretty much filled with standings and open spots are filled with glitter toes so it's been awhile since I've had a new client, but my clients all know that they are required to take care of their nails at home. For the few who weren't believers, I proved my point to them as I did with the few listed above. So, I would like to say that I totally respect your opinion, but I have to respectfully disagree. HUGS! Rhonda On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 8:26 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: I called her yesterday and I asked her how they were coming off. She said she went to open her cabinet and it just popped off. Well I love when they say that cause I know the whole nail didn't come off like that especially gel. I started to think back and yes she has been a client of mine for a year now. I use to use acrylic on her and she may of had one or two off but for the most part no prob. I think she may be used to that stronger feel of acrylic. Yes she used to go to the nss salon and had trenches drilled in her nais. I'll. Find more out tues when I do her nails but for now I don't know. Sorry pati I may have sent you something twice last night I don't know where my messg went Brenda Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device from U.S. Cellular -----Original Message----- From: Diana Bonn <[email protected]> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 05:48:40 To: <[email protected]> Subject: NailTech:: Re: NailTech::I agree Pati/ Re: Vent Yep I agree Pati, and also will YELL out like Pati said, Please be Gentle. Whenever I read something like, they canned tomotoes, or cleaned with bleach, or washed the car with strong soap, and the nails came off, I just don't get it. Even the comment that I have heard for years, the reason nails come off is because they don't use cuticle oil! I have never had this problem either, clients never use the oil. And the few that do, I see the advantage of the cuticle being softer, not to prevent lifting!!! And like Pati, my clients hardly ever wear gloves. The only chemical I have ever seen ruin nails is paint remover or stain remover type products. Now have I had clients ruin their nails by doing something at home like cleaning? OF COURSE. But it was from banging them and using their nails as tools. I think some cannot wear ac and some cannot wear gel, just doesn't matter. I actually have a couple with gel on a couple of their nails, ac just doesn't work on them, weird. So I have to say, I think Pati thinks the same, we respect you guys, and believe you all, but we have been scratching our heads for YEARS, and don't get it. Just Our opinion!!!!!!!!! thanks Pati for speaking up. Behind you 100%!!!!!!!!!!! diana from indiana At 09:10 PM 10/27/2009, you wrote: >I HAVE to say something here...please be gentle with me you guys! > ok right now my nails are a mess cause of the chemo, but for YEARS > and YEARS I wore acrylic (and before that... wraps) and have never > been a glove wearer. OK I did have a housekeeper for many of those > years but...I DO preserve tomatoes and have raised 3 > kids....cooking, daily cleaning, bathing them etc. I even had 2 > dogs...my nails didn't come off unless I picked them or bit them > off. That was either when I did them or others did them.... > so....gloves may keep them nicer but I don't think they play THAT > big of a part in nails staying on. I had a large clientele ...both > in Florida and NY and barely any of them used gloves on a daily > basis....and they, save 1 or 2, never had problems! >(The "preserving the tomatoes" part really got me! We do like 250 >jars every year! The food processor does the work...we don't squish >them by hand! ) JMHO...please be gentle.... > >[] > Pati > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NailTech" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nailtech?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
