Back to nail school 101. A healthy nail is a nail that does NOT have a condition that needs medical treatment. When in doubt, send the client to a doctor before applying an enhancement or performing a manicure. It doesn't matter if it is fugly, ridged, has a permanent split or what ever it is a healthy nail if it does NOT require medical attention.
Katherine St. Louis, MO Sent from my iPad On Dec 13, 2011, at 2:56 PM, holly cliffe <[email protected]> wrote: > Here is Doug's response" > > Doug Schoon If your podiatrist was right, most people I know would have > onycholysis, since most wear polish non-stop. Clearly, the podiatrist is > mistaken and has made a broad general statement that is contrary to the known > facts. Most doctors and/or podiatrist know very little about these products > and/or services, but that doesn't stop many of them from giving their > opinions. The second problem is, they usually state their uninformed opinions > as if they were known "facts". I will also follow up by saying, these nail > products and services are for healthy nails and nail technicians are supposed > to work only on healthy nails. If the nail is not healthy, I recommend not > providing services until the condition is resolved. > 26 minutes ago ยท Like > > I have one concern with his response, being that we "should only work on > healthy nails".....which I think is a standard approach from a > manufacturer/supplier perspective and I understand why they have to say that. > From my perspective, down here in the trenches I often get clients who want > an unsightly nail worked on to make it match the rest. There are lots of > clients out there who have issues that they feel make their hands or feet > unsightly and they come to me to make them look beautiful....that's part of > what I do! That is not to say I work on a nail that I can see may have a > fungus or some other disorder that requires treatment. So, my new question > would be "What exactly is a healthy nail"......onycholysis is not unusual to > see (and it's possible it's this particular client's issue), I've seen > psoriasis on the nail plate (a doctor actually recomended artificial nails to > deal with that), i have had many clients who have lost a nail so I build them > a new one.....where do we draw the line and call it a "unhealthy nail or > condition". > > Holly Cliffe > Vancouver, BC > > > On 2011-12-13, at 9:57 AM, Lynnette Madden wrote: > >> I am glad to hear that the acrylic is working for you, Deb. Wish it would do >> the same for my clients' nails. She says it hurts. >> Buenos dias, >> Lynnette >> >> On Dec 13, 2011 11:59 AM, "Debbie Doerrlamm" <[email protected]> wrote: >> oh I should have said.. improvement after having acrylic on my toes for >> several month to help flatten them out.. >> (blaming the new Mr. Jackson on the distraction!) >> Deb >> >> >> >> At 11:22 AM 12/13/2011, you wrote: >>> Maureen, >>> >>> Not all Dr's :) My podiatrist saw the improvement in my pincher toes and >>> says he will be recommending it to patients in the future :) Some are >>> forward thinking, some stuck in a hole, some want to sell stuff.. >>> >>> Debbie D >>> >>> >>> At 08:38 AM 12/13/2011, you wrote: >>>> I have to bring up Anna's point of the decades long use of nail polish and >>>> nail problems. >>>> >>>> I have been a nail tech some 30+ years. Before that , I manicured my mom >>>> and aunt's and sisters nails all of the time with NO problem with the >>>> polish separating the nail from the bed. >>>> >>>> Manicurists 25 years and farther back didn't have the education available >>>> to them that we have now and clients didn't have all of the nail disorders >>>> that they have now. I will not go into a subject that will start another >>>> thread at this time so , just polish. >>>> >>>> With formaldehyde and toluene etc being removed polish doesn't >>>> t stay on the way it used to and everyone wants the polish to dry in 1/2 >>>> minute. Polish won't last, >>>> >>>> Now, the Dr thing. Dr's hate nail techs. I don't mean this in a literal >>>> sence so please don't chop my head. Just think about this.........the dr >>>> will tell almost every client I know to stop getting their nails done. >>>> They don't think beyond just what they see at the moment. I question my >>>> clients when or if they have a problem. The Dr will just look and form an >>>> opinion. >>>> >>>> I didn't offer an answer, I just wanted to put in my 2 cents. >>>> >>>> Maureen Solan >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> --- On Mon, 12/12/11, Maggie in Visalia <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> From: Maggie in Visalia <[email protected]> >>>> Subject: Re: NailTech:: huh..polish causes nail separation! >>>> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >>>> Date: Monday, December 12, 2011, 10:58 PM >>>> I think Anna has hit on the points I was planning on addressing: It seems >>>> to me that nail polish in its current form has been around for several >>>> decades and mulitple generations. If it was a proven fact that wearing >>>> nail polish consistantly led to onycholisis, I think more people would be >>>> aware of it by now. >>>> >>>> I fear that you have a podiatrist who is either biased against nail polish >>>> for whatever reason, or is woefully misinformed about polish. >>>> >>>> First, I would contact the podiatrist and have a serious professional to >>>> professional discussion with her. But I think you may want to consider >>>> finding a different doctor to set up a referral business with. >>>> >>>> >>>> Maggie Franklin: >>>> Owner & Artist, The Art of Nailz, Visalia CA >>>> "Visionary rebel dreamer; obviously way ahead of my time." >>>> Maggie Rants [and Raves]@Nails Magazine >>>> Facebook >>>> >>>> >> >> From: Anna Z-James <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Friday, December 9, 2011 10:53 AM >> Subject: Re: NailTech:: huh..polish causes nail separation! >> Not exactly sure that using polish could cause any type of damage to that >> degree? After centuries of using polish oddly enough most of the problems >> have surfaced in the last 20 years or so. Most of the problems started >> because of lack of education in cleanliness and sanitation. I agree with >> Katherine unless the person is allergic I can't see where polish could cause >> such horrific separation. >> >> Before you start to recommend your clients to this doctor I'd make sure you >> all have an agreed arrangement of information that is passed on to your >> clients. Mainly due in part by the fact that most people will take the >> information of a doctor over yours, there causing the loss of a client to >> that doctor and the services and information that is offered to them. >> Best of Luck with that situation. >> >> Anna >> Creations by Anna Z-James >> www.annazjames.com >> 702-927-8831 >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Katherine Fahrig <[email protected]> >> To: nailtech <[email protected]> >> Sent: Fri, Dec 9, 2011 9:21 am >> Subject: Re: NailTech:: huh..polish causes nail separation! >> >> >> My guess would be that she is talking about the 3 free polishes being the " >> healthy " polish. I have not heard of nail polish of any kind causing nail >> plate >> separation unless it is an allergic reaction. If you want a referral=2 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NailTech" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. 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