On Oct 27, 2010, at 2:04 PM, Brian Johnson wrote:

> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: kris foster [mailto:kris.fos...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 3:50 PM
>> To: Sean Figgins
>> Cc: nanog-futures@nanog.org
>> Subject: Re: [Nanog-futures] New Membership-WG Draft
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 27, 2010, at 1:07 PM, Sean Figgins wrote:
>> 
>>> On 10/27/10 1:02 PM, Daniel Golding wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I suspect the board will set some kind of a discount for students.
>>>> Personally, I would support a very large discount for full time
> students.
>>>> 
>>>> That being said, I'm also a bit disappointed that the specific
> student
>>>> membership didn't survive. I think the educational mission is
> extremely
>>>> important from both an altruistic and a business point of view
> (business
>>>> == our real businesses, not NANOG).
>>> 
>>> This was an area where the WG had quite a bit of discussion, and
> student
>>> discounts never got unanimous support.  NewNOG is not a student
>>> organization that is supported by obligatory student (college) fees
>>> that, in turn, fund the organization.  It is not an organization that
>>> targets students as part of it's mission, not a student outreach
>>> organization.  NewNOG is a not-for-profit organization formed to
> provide
>>> a set of mailing lists, and organize events, such as semi-annual
>>> conferences.
>> 
>> The mission includes education and outreach to the academic community.
> If
>> students are not implied, then maybe we're working on different
> definitions
>> of some of these words.
>> 
>> 3. Mission
>> The purpose of NewNOG is to provide forums in the North American region
>> for education and the sharing of knowledge for the Internet operations
>> community.
>> 
>> [snip]
>> 
>> NewNOG serves as a bridge between the technical staff of leading
> Internet
>> providers close to network operations, technical communities such as
>> standards bodies, and the academic community.
>> 
> 
> I contest this statement. I have never specifically thought of NANOG as
> an organization specifically for that purpose. Education does not imply
> students, just people who want to learn. This should imply everyone in
> the current community.

The above is language copied directly from NewNOG's bylaws.

> I'm against specifying classes of members. As mentioned in other posts,
> anyone can attend meetings, even non-member full/part time students. :) 

The draft policy has a line that separates membership from meetings (even 
though the current bylaws do not prohibit non-members from attending 
conferences or subscribing to the mailing list).

--
kris
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