OK, you invoked a Hitler comparison so I guess the thread is over :) --- skaller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I doubt it. I was heavily involved with the Shootout > for a while (until Isaac Gouy took over and tried to > be more Fascist than Adolf Hitler).
> Second, many of the requirements are rubbish: > implementing an algorithm which does array > manipulations > is nonsense in a functional programming language, > ditto for loops (FPLs use recursion). I agree. "Cheap concurrency" is also very expensive for some languages that can do it cheaper on their own. > I can say that for sure, because on many tests my > own programming languague Felix utterly creamed all > the > others. So much so said Fascist Isaac Gouy banned > it. I had not heard about that. I am sorry to hear that the race is fixed be keeping out certain languages. > no 'exceptions' got thrown, the optimiser reduced > them to a single machine instruction, a goto. > Same in the threading test .. it just happened to > use a chain of threads, and in Felix every procedure > is a thread.. but the chain was tail-rec and Felix > turned it into a loop. I had not thought too much about compiler optimizations. You are right that better tests are in order. > Last time I looked, Java was one of the fastest > languages. Yet you say: > > > That is why the languages that we > > already know are slowest are at the bottom of the > list > > and the fastest at the top. > > but we know Java is woefully slow. Java sits in the high middle on the ranking. If Ruby and Spidermonkey are at the bottom, this seems about right. I still think Mickey Mouse benchmarks do have value, but better tests would be better. The shootout establishes some *reasonable* expectations for a language based on its ranking. I concede to everything else that you have brought up, but the shootout can establish that a language is not a total piece of junk (if it can get included). > > (older version). The shootout is a fair fight > > No it isn't. > > > and > > does establish an accurate general speed mark for > the > > languages. > > Not even slightly. If Felix is not in, it is not a fair fight. Good points. Thank you, McKinley __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- Neko : One VM to run them all (http://nekovm.org)
