Hi Neil,
I didn't realize that you worked with Brent! So we're talking about
that dear old Elite 358 that I maintained for Doug McClement for all
those years. I guess I will have to come out there and have a look ;-) !
So you are concerned about the .100 ribbon cables. There's a couple
of options here. One is to find a company that will terminate a new set
of ribbons for you (which might have to be Sytek). There may well be a
company in Oz that can do it...I seem to recall that you have a fair bit
of electronic manufacturing out there.
OTOH, if you have a look down at the far right hand hand end
(channels 48-50 or so) you will see a work-around that I came up with
when I rebuilt the desk in 2002. What I did is make a little motherboard
with 5 or so headers on it and then ran separate ribbon cables up to
each module. I came up with an expanded version of this idea which I
pitched to Sytek, but Mike wasn't interested. Ping me off list to
discuss further.
best,
Ike
Neil Thomason wrote:
Hi Ike
Great to hear from you. I am referring to the multitude of ribbon
cable that runs the lenghth of the board, four connectors for each
channel. As you know, it's a 50 ch board plus 8 stereo channels,
that's a lot of connectors. When a channel is removed for service or
fault detection, you need to be very careful not to stress the ribbon
cable and it's associated connector. In some areas of the console, it
is nearly impossible to remove a channel strip without inadvertantly
yanking the connector right off the channel before you can even get a
hand to it to remove it properly (not enough length on the cable). .
Over time, this has taken its toll on these IDC connections.
As mentioned earlier, our Elite is from 1986, perhaps this system
improved in later models. I wouldn't say that we are "having a
problem" with this, just that it is frustrating and does cause issues
on channels periodically. I have fantasized about replacing the ribbon
cable and adding new connectors, which is what I thought Greg was up
to on his SII. Big job for us.
Thanks for the info on the different connector types.
Best from Oz,
Neil
----- Original Message ----- From: "Ike Zimbel" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 5:54 AM
Subject: Re: NEOTEK: Neotek: New Series II connections
Hi Neil,
That is what is known as an "Insulation Displacement Connection"
or IDC. Done properly they are very reliable. It's not clear what
area of your Elite you are having problems with.
The .156 Molex connections on an Elite that are on ribbon cable are
the bussing for the meter cards. The other .156 Molex connections are
the audio i/o to each strip, which use 2 conductor shielded
microphone type cable. The only place in an Elite that has the type
of Molex connections that Greg is working on is the motherboard in
the master section. This has always been a problem area in this console.
The other, smaller, IDC connectors in the console are .100 AMP or
Panduit connectors.
Please let us know what you are having trouble with and we can try
and be more help.
best,
Ike
Neil Thomason wrote:
Thanks Greg. What type of connector did you go with, in particular,
how does it interface with the ribbon cable?
The main problem with our 1986 Elite is the ribbon cable is pushed
into the 'teeth' of the molex connector and that is it, job done.
Which has never seemed to be a particularly stable connection. Not
familiar with the Series II, perhaps it's a different set-up. Neil
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Greg Norman <mailto:[email protected]>
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 25, 2009 9:38 AM
*Subject:* Re: NEOTEK: Neotek: New Series II connections
You're plenty man enough. I just finished, and it took maybe 16
hours? Just get a good desoldering weapon, be careful, and go at
it. Greg Norman
Electrical Audio Recording
773.539.2555
www.electrical.com <http://www.electrical.com>
On Nov 24, 2009, at 4:14 PM, Neil Thomason wrote:
Heroic and inspiring. I use these words because our Elite needs
the same treatment, and I am not man enough to do it.
Good job!
----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Norman"
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
To: <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 6:14 AM
Subject: NEOTEK: Neotek: New Series II connections
I though you guys might be interested in this. It has been a
long time coming.
http://www.electrical.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?
f=5&t=491&sid=7c84058461737f4a2d1e59e21ab4d3e0&p=1024587#p1024587
Greg Norman
Electrical Audio Recording
773.539.2555
www.electrical.com
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