Edward money is not enough. The class Bolsonaro support, the core of his
electors, are greedy landowners and they want the WHOLE Amazonian for
planting soya.
They want draw motorways and erase the jungle as they did in Rio and in
other parts. Brasil has other jungle, la Mata Atl?ntica, once an immense
jungle running along their long coat. Now it?s bare exist taken away for give
place to cities.?
For me the puzzle is why people choose them? Morrison or Bolsonaro or Trump
are chosen they can behave as dictators and they can have come to power in
rigged elections as Trump In the US or Bolsonaro in Brasil but they were
elected.
Ana?
El El dom, 5 de ene. de 2020 a la(s) 12:19, Edward Picot via NetBehaviour
<[email protected]> escribi?:
Ana,
As for Bolsonaro, it's my belief, and has been for many years, that if
the West expects a country like Brazil to preserve rainforests and
biodiversity on behalf of the whole world, then they have to pay them
to do it, and I mean serious money. It should be worth more
financially to preserve the forests and export oxygen for the benefit
of the rest of us than to cut them down and plant palm oil or create
beef farms or whatever. Then there wouldn't be any argument.
Bolsonaro is an arsehole, but wagging a finger at him in the style of
Macron isn't going to make him budge.
Edward
On 05/01/2020 15:05, Ana Vald?s via NetBehaviour wrote:
Thanks for sharing so important inputs and thoughts! I feel a
growing frustration about how politicians are handling this
issues. In the worst draugh a province in Australia sold the
common water to a private enterprise.
And neither Bolsonaro or Morrison or Trump are acting as leaders
in time of a crisis. They carry on and on and on not relating
fires to capitalism and its ways, fracking and mining.
They despise the knowledge of scientists and of the aboriginal
ways to live and work they blame the people speaking about
climate change.
I assume many on this list are familiar with Donna Haraway. Her
writings about the Anthroposcene a new age where we, Mankind,
are responsible for disasters and ways to live which unsettle
Nature and the natural order are very important and give advice
and explanations.
Ana?
El El dom, 5 de ene. de 2020 a la(s) 11:43, Edward Picot via
NetBehaviour <[email protected]> escribi?:
Helen,
That's really useful information about the donation links
and the Adani coal mine. I didn't know about the coal mine
before.
As for Scott Morrison and his government, I think there's
more to it than sheer stupidity. As with Trump and Boris
Johnson, there's a right-wing populist agenda at play,
which is all about protecting and promoting the interests
of big business, but it sustains itself in power by
appealing to certain lowest-common-denominator prejudices
in the minds of the voting public, and serving up what are
basically lies to reinforce its appeal. So Morrison has
now moved on from claiming that the link between bushfires
and global warming is all in the minds of urban woke
greeny loony lefties; he's now claiming that he never
denied that link in the first place; but he's also making
out that the bushfires are particularly bad because the
greeny loony lefties have been blocking bushfire hazard
reduction measures in the national parks. This is rejected
as nonsense by bushfire experts, but the claim doesn't
have to be accurate to make its impact. And that's the
problem. Populist politics has found the faultline in
modern democracy, where things don't have to be true, or
even make sense, to influence voting patterns; they use
tactics of misinformation and misdirection as a deliberate
policy to sustain themselves in power. And the left/green
parties haven't yet found a way to counteract those
tactics, or to tap into the huge groundswell of opinion
which is undoubtedly building behind environmentalist
causes, particularly amongst the young. In countries like
the UK young people just take it for granted that
something urgently needs to be done about the environment;
but they don't have any faith in the political parties to
deliver the required changes. So their convictions don't
translate into votes. And you can't blame them. The
environment hardly featured as an issue in the election we
just had.
Things are going to change, I'm sure. But how much damage
is the planet going to sustain before the changes happen?
It's a frightening prospect.
Edward
On 05/01/2020 13:10, Helen Varley Jamieson wrote:
hi alan,
it is truly devastating & catastrophic what is
happening in australia, & outrageous that the
government there continues to be so fucking
stupid. i heard that scott morrison (the prime
minister, who chose to have a hawaiian holiday
in the midst of it all) would fly out to china
to discuss trade negotiations, including coal
mining, immediately after meeting with fire
chiefs. his inability to make the connections
is staggering.
i have many family and friends in australia
and everyone is affected in some way; some
have lost property, everyone is affected by
the smoke, my family & friends in new zealand
are also seeing and breathing the smoke. yes,
an estimated half a billion birds, animals &
insects have died. and the fires are still
burning, many out of control, and no end in
sight. this level of catastrophe has been
predicted - but not for another decade;
everything is accelerating.
what can we do? suzon posted this list of
donation
links:https://www.abc.net.au/classic/read-and-watch/news/bushfire-donations/11823
676 - there are plenty of places to make
financial donations & if you are in australia
there are practical things you can do to help.
we can write to scott morrison
(@scottmorrisonmp on twitter) and other
australian politicians, urging them to take
the climate emergency seriously (australia is
one of the worst countries in the world in
terms of climate
policy:https://www.sbs.com.au/news/australia-s-climate-change-policy-ranked-57-out
-of-61-countries)
a related campaign that is well worth
supporting is the long struggle against the
adani coal mine - is a major fossil-fuel
extraction project which will contribute
massively to global warming as well as being
totally unethical. the queensland government
illegally rescinded native title to allow the
mine to go ahead, & the wangan & jagalingou
indigenous people have been bankrupted trying
to stop the mine.
https://wanganjagalingou.com.au/pledge-to-stand-with-us/
https://www.acf.org.au/email_siemens_global
it's hard to wish a happy new year in the face
of all of this (not to mention the tragic zoo
fire in germany, 30 primates killed thanks to
someone's carelessness) but i can only hope
that the scale of devastation will force
politicians to accept that they must act,
urgently, and that we will enter into a decade
of positive change ...
h xx
On 03.01.20 20:26, Alan Sondheim wrote:
(Apologies for a 2nd post today; I think
the situation warrants it. How do we, as
a community, respond to this? To the
approx. 480m killed? To a Ballard future
collapsing around us? How do we stop
from harming ourselves, how can we act
intelligently with this like this - on
top of all the other horrors? Because
this is going to spread of course; the
ash on NZ glaciers accelerating melt.
What do we do? What do we do as a
community?)
Fires in Australia
http://www.alansondheim.org/Victoria.jpg
(map)
http://www.alansondheim.org/Victoria.mp3
(radio)
In Pennsylvania, we had house-destroying
floods, mine fires,
highly polluted air. We went back and
explored the area (around
Wilkes-Barre/Kingston) last April. I've
had my own things
destroyed in floods several times, oddly
including a storage
container in Los Angeles, a closet in
Providence, my parents'
house in Kingston. But nothing, ever,
like this. Reading Ballard,
the world's future is spelled out as a
scenario for now. Teaching
"The Year 3000" back in the early 70s, I
was face-to-face with
the statistics. I've continue to talk
and write and think about
this. I was influenced by post-modern
geography, and by the
collapsed flora of the
Carboniferous/Pennsylvanian, which I
collected. I grew up negative. I've been
following the fires and
started interviewing a few people by
Skype, people from eastern
Australia. I'm trying to make sense of
this, trying to find
optimism in a situation which I see as
the beginning of something
problematic, horrifying. (I'll send the
interviews out to the
lists.) I listened late last night
(here) to the radio - a short
segment is above. The map gives some
indication of locations.
There was a report that 480 million
animals have died in the
fires. It's inconceivable, as is the
number.
Best, hopefully, Alan
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