thanks james and brad It's great that you're talking about this.
A couple of years back I talked to a very experienced art dealer/ curator - basically she was appointed my mentor on the South London Arts programme - a scheme to help emerging artists. I know she's only one opinion, but she knows what she's talking about. I was asking her if she thought I could get any of my recent pictures into galleries, and if they'd sell. I was basically trying to find markets for my work - trying to make some money! I showed her my networked media work - she thought the images were good, but the fact that endless variations can be created would confuse buyers, who want uniqueness. The whole network generated/ collaborative aspects - she wasn't interested really. She jumped into life when she saw my small booklets, which are much more traditional - straight stories - and she reckoned these would sell - especially if made big. I felt quite disappointed - like is this what fine art is really like? There's so much more conceptually in the networked stuff, layers of ideas, but that didn't get her interest. She wanted the traditional stuff! I was amazed about how superficial fine art seems - she talked of pre-selling shows, to artificially create scarcity, to bump up the price. Add a frame for £1500 to increase the price by £3000 etc... This is product for city types and investments. This isn't what I feel art is about. It all left me feeling quite disillusioned. Having said that I'm still trying to make art, I can't stop, but the gallery as a goal is out of my mind now. And I'm still thinking of how to make money out of my art ... dave 2009/1/6 benjamin <[email protected]>: > we need to redefine where people thing art is. > galleries like museums, dead, places of reflection; > art is something which happens with life and animation... and wine ! > > > On 6 Jan 2009, at 18:51, { brad brace } wrote: > >> >> well, you'll hate me, but I'll tell you: it's simply a ponzi >> scheme; the only people who benefit are those that entice >> endless new suckers to pay the game... I've been working for >> over 35 years and I've yet to encounter even one person who >> continually makes even a rudimentary living from their >> career as an artist... this unconscionable artworld scam >> only supports the upper institutional echelons and their >> well-heeled cohorts with some dribble-down effect for the >> myopic acolytes with minor schemes (who are now online by >> the thousands) >> >> the maddening thing is that these obscenely funded >> institutions (that we're required to support with our taxes) >> deliberately oppose individual and grassroot autonomous >> efforts >> >> >> /:b >> >> >> "We fill the craters left by the bombs >> And once again we sing >> And once again we sow >> Because life never surrenders." >> -- anonymous Vietnamese poem >> >> "Nothing can be said about the sea." >> -- Mr Selvam, Akkrapattai, India 2004 >> >> { brad brace } <<<<< [email protected] >>>> ~finger for pgp >> >> --- bbs: brad brace sound --- >> --- http://69.64.229.114:8000 --- >> >> . >> The 12hr-ISBN-JPEG Project >>>> posted since 1994 <<<< >> >> + + + serial ftp://ftp.eskimo.com/u/b/bbrace >> + + + eccentric ftp:// (your-site-here!) >> + + + continuous hotline://artlyin.ftr.va.com.au >> + + + hypermodern ftp://ftp.rdrop.com/pub/users/bbrace >> + + + imagery http://kunst.noemata.net/12hr/ >> >> News: alt.binaries.pictures.12hr alt.binaries.pictures.misc >> alt.binaries.pictures.fine-art.misc alt.12hr >> >> . 12hr email >> subscriptions => http://bbrace.laughingsquid.net/buy-into.html >> >> >> . Other | Mirror: http://www.eskimo.com/~bbrace/bbrace.html >> Projects | Reverse Solidus: http://bbrace.laughingsquid.net/ >> | http://bbrace.net >> >> . Blog | http://bbrace.laughingsquid.net/wordpress/ >> >> . IM | [email protected] >> . IRC | #bbrace >> . ICQ | 109352289 >> | Registered Linux User #323978 >> ~> >> I am not a victim >> I am a messenger >> >> /:b >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NetBehaviour mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > _______________________________________________ NetBehaviour mailing list [email protected] http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
