Hang on a moment! Martin's original post *was* expressed forcefully but, agree with it or not, it was a perfectly legitimate contribution here. He's also had the consistency and courage to argue his position in the face of overwhelming ( and somewhat smug - "*We* understand - what's not to understand?") opposition. There's a nasty whiff of the playground bully to some of the more recent replies, including the one below. Personally although I'd try and be a bit more, I hope, nuanced about it I think Martin raised two real issues. (1) The fact that academia has become an increasing natural home for artists ( and indeed a financial necessity for many) and that this has created a genuine intellectual and creative tension. It simply isn't good enough for academics to shrug their shoulders and say 'what's the problem guv?' There's *is* a confusion of poachers and gamekeepers and whilst I'm happy to remain open minded about the eventual upshot of this it's dishonest to pretend that it isn't an issue. (2) The "creative" or "interventionist" role of the curator supported often by a dose of apparently infinitely malleable "theory" -I incline to the cynical here *but* at the least I want to assert there is room for debate, for discussion and investigation.
Lastly I'd also like to suggest to Martin that he posts some of his work here - it's in the actual work that differences, if they don't actually dissolve , at least take on a less threatening aspect... cheers michael --- On Fri, 1/8/10, Corrado Morgana <[email protected]> wrote: > From: Corrado Morgana <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel > VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January > To: "'NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity'" > <[email protected]> > Date: Friday, January 8, 2010, 11:05 AM > Hi, > > > I am of the impression that the silver spacesuit and > jetpacked future has > arrived and that Mr Mitchell is a very sophisticated > trollbot! > > Mr. Mitchell's impossibility of being both artist and > academic is UTTER > NONSENSE, I agree Tom > > Troll (Internet) > From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia > > "Do not feed the trolls" and its abbreviation DNFTT > redirect here. For the > Wikimedia essay, see "What is a troll?". > > In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts > inflammatory, extraneous, or > off-topic messages in an online community, such as an > online discussion > forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of > provoking other users > into an emotional response[1] or of otherwise disrupting > normal on-topic > discussion.[2] > > We all know what happens to trolls... > > C > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of tom corby > Sent: 08 January 2010 8:52 AM > To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity > Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: > Multichannel > VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th > January > > So you can't be both? Sorry this is nonsense. > > martin mitchell wrote: > > > > > > Artists who teach in art colleges unfortunately seem > to become academics. > > > > An individual is either an artist or an academic. > > > > > > On 7 Jan 2010, at 23:54, Simon Biggs wrote: > > > >> Most people on this list are artists, including > myself. Any academic > >> roles we have are a result of what we have done as > artists, not > >> academics. That is part of socio-economics... > >> > >> Simon Biggs > >> > >> Research Professor > >> edinburgh college of art > >> [email protected] > >> www.eca.ac.uk > >> > >> *C*reative *I*nterdisciplinary *R*esearch into > *C*o*L*laborative > >> *E*nvironments > >> CIRCLE research group > >> www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ > >> > >> [email protected] > <x-msg://114/[email protected]> > >> www.littlepig.org.uk <http://www.littlepig.org.uk> > >> AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> *From: *martin mitchell <[email protected] > > >> <x-msg://114/[email protected]>> > >> *Reply-To: *NetBehaviour for networked distributed > creativity > >> <[email protected] > > >> <x-msg://114/[email protected]>> > >> *Date: *Thu, 07 Jan 2010 23:39:14 +0000 > >> *To: *NetBehaviour for networked distributed > creativity > >> <[email protected] > > >> <x-msg://114/[email protected]>> > >> *Subject: *Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for > Submissions: Multichannel > >> VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline > 28th January > >> > >> WHOW..............No the complete opposite I'm an > artist and not an > >> academic. > >> > >> > >> On 7 Jan 2010, at 23:28, Simon Biggs wrote: > >> > >>> You don't like art? > >>> > >>> Simon Biggs > >>> > >>> Research Professor > >>> edinburgh college of art > >>> [email protected] > >>> www.eca.ac.uk > >>> > >>> *C*reative *I*nterdisciplinary *R*esearch into > *C*o*L*laborative > >>> *E*nvironments > >>> CIRCLE research group > >>> www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ > >>> > >>> [email protected] > <x-msg://114/[email protected]> > > >>> <x-msg://79/[email protected] > <x-msg://79/[email protected]>> > >>> www.littlepig.org.uk <http://www.littlepig.org.uk> > >>> <http://www.littlepig.org.uk <http://www.littlepig.org.uk/>> > >>> AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk > >>> > >>> > >>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>> *From: *martin mitchell <[email protected] > > >>> <x-msg://114/[email protected]> > > >>> <x-msg://79/[email protected] > <x-msg://79/[email protected]>> > > > >>> *Reply-To: *NetBehaviour for networked > distributed creativity > >>> <[email protected] > > >>> <x-msg://114/[email protected]> > > >>> <x-msg://79/[email protected] > > >>> <x-msg://79/[email protected]>> > > > >>> *Date: *Thu, 07 Jan 2010 17:42:10 +0000 > >>> *To: *NetBehaviour for networked distributed > creativity > >>> <[email protected] > > >>> <x-msg://114/[email protected]> > > >>> <x-msg://79/[email protected] > > >>> <x-msg://79/[email protected]>> > > > >>> *Subject: *Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for > Submissions: Multichannel > >>> VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline > 28th January > >>> > >>> Have no idea what this means > .......... > >>> > >>> "They want some video art that engages > current international > >>> socio-economic events to put in an > exhibition". > >>> > >>> Common sense tells us it's meaningless. > >>> > >>> Just cannot write anymore........... this is > embarrassing nonsense. > >>> > >>> martin mitchell. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On 7 Jan 2010, at 17:11, james morris wrote: > >>> > >>>> > >>>> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHoCd1pTJx4&feature=PlayList&p=5840AC014CA20F > 89&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=56 > >>>> > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHoCd1pTJx4&feature=PlayList&p=5840AC014CA20 > F89&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=56> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> :) > >>>> > >>>> On 7/1/2010, "Simon Biggs" <[email protected] > > >>>> <x-msg://114/[email protected]> > <x-msg://79/[email protected] > > >>>> <x-msg://79/[email protected]>> > > wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Seems clear to me. They want some > video art that engages current > >>>>> international socio-economic events to > put in an exhibition. > >>>>> > >>>>> Simon Biggs > >>>>> > >>>>> Research Professor > >>>>> edinburgh college of art > >>>>> [email protected] > <x-msg://114/[email protected]> > > >>>>> <x-msg://79/[email protected] > <x-msg://79/[email protected]>> > >>>>> www.eca.ac.uk <http://www.eca.ac.uk> <http://www.eca.ac.uk > >>>>> <http://www.eca.ac.uk/>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Creative Interdisciplinary Research > into CoLlaborative Environments > >>>>> CIRCLE research group > >>>>> www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ <http://www.eca.ac.uk/circle/> > >>>>> <http://www.eca.ac.uk/circle/> > >>>>> > >>>>> [email protected] > <x-msg://114/[email protected]> > > >>>>> <x-msg://79/[email protected] > > >>>>> <x-msg://79/[email protected]>> > >>>>> www.littlepig.org.uk <http://www.littlepig.org.uk> > >>>>> <http://www.littlepig.org.uk <http://www.littlepig.org.uk/>> > >>>>> AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> From: martin mitchell <[email protected] > > >>>>> <x-msg://114/[email protected]> > > >>>>> <x-msg://79/[email protected] > > >>>>> <x-msg://79/[email protected]>> > > > >>>>> Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked > distributed creativity > >>>>> <[email protected] > > >>>>> <x-msg://114/[email protected]> > > >>>>> <x-msg://79/[email protected] > > >>>>> <x-msg://79/[email protected]>> > > > >>>>> Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 15:50:15 +0000 > >>>>> To: NetBehaviour for networked > distributed creativity > >>>>> <[email protected] > > >>>>> <x-msg://114/[email protected]> > > >>>>> <x-msg://79/[email protected] > > >>>>> <x-msg://79/[email protected]>> > > > >>>>> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for > Submissions: Multichannel > >>>>> Variable > >>>>> Economies Screening Programme Deadline > 28th January > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Is this another example of > administrative gobbledegook ...........! > >>>>> > >>>>> Have no idear of what you are trying > to describe. > >>>>> > >>>>> martin mitchell [ artist ]. > >>>>> > >>>>> On 7 Jan 2010, at 11:25, Helen Sloan > wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Hello > >>>>>> > >>>>>> This is my first post here and > it's a call - sorry. I really > >>>>>> enjoyed the > >>>>>> Dark Mountain debate and the one > that's emerging on Second Life > >>>>>> so far. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Meantime, I hope this is of > interest and do contact if you want > >>>>>> more info. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Happy New Year > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Helen > >>>>>> Helen Sloan > >>>>>> SCAN > >>>>>> > >>>>>> CALL FOR SUBMISSIONS: Multichannel > 3 > >>>>>> Title: Variable Economies > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Variable Economies provides the > theme for the programme of works for > >>>>>> Multichannel 2010. The theme > implies the current global economic > >>>>>> downturn, > >>>>>> decreased availability of > resources influenced by human > >>>>>> intervention in the > >>>>>> natural environment, shifts in > national and global political > >>>>>> emphasis, and > >>>>>> formally in relation to the making > of artist film and video. For > >>>>>> Multichannel 2010 artists are > invited to submit works for > >>>>>> selection that > >>>>>> touch upon the themes of the > programme in terms of the use of the > >>>>>> medium/material of film and > video. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Multichannel is a screening > programme of artists film and video, > >>>>>> organised > >>>>>> and curated by ArtSway and SCAN in > ArtSway's galleries. The > >>>>>> programme, which > >>>>>> previously took place at ArtSway > in 2007 and 2008, will once > >>>>>> again feature > >>>>>> both established practitioners, as > well as ground breaking video > >>>>>> works by > >>>>>> artists from across the UK, and > around the world. This year we > >>>>>> are pleased > >>>>>> to announce that Animate Projects > will partner on Multichannel. > >>>>>> The selection panel for > Multichannel 3 is: Gary Thomas, > >>>>>> Co-director Animate > >>>>>> Projects; Helen Sloan, Director, > SCAN; Peter Bonnell, Curator, > >>>>>> ArtSway. > >>>>>> Criteria/ Format of works for > selection: Please submit your work > >>>>>> for viewing > >>>>>> on DVD. Should your piece be > selected, we will ask you to supply > >>>>>> your work > >>>>>> as raw uncompressed files > preferably on MiniDV, uncompressed .mpg > >>>>>> or ..avi. > >>>>>> Duration: We will accept pieces of > any duration but please be > >>>>>> aware that the > >>>>>> screenings last up to 2 hours and > shorter pieces will take > >>>>>> preference. In > >>>>>> exceptional circumstances we may > be able to consider one-off > >>>>>> screenings of > >>>>>> longer pieces. Open to: artists of > any age, in any part of the world, > >>>>>> working in the format of film or > video. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Deadline for submitting works: > Thursday 28 January 2010 > >>>>>> Selection panel meets: Week > beginning 8 February 2010 > >>>>>> Notification of selection result: > 26 February 2010 > >>>>>> Exhibition of Multichannel 3 at > ArtSway: 2 April - 11 April 2010 > >>>>>> Contact and address to send work: > Peter Bonnell, Curator, > >>>>>> ArtSway, Station > >>>>>> Road, Sway, SO41 6BA, UK > >>>>>> For more information please > contact Peter on +44 (0)1590 682260 > >>>>>> (+4) or > >>>>>> email: [email protected] > <x-msg://114/[email protected]> > > >>>>>> <x-msg://79/[email protected] > > >>>>>> <x-msg://79/[email protected]>> > <mailto:[email protected]> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> NetBehaviour mailing list > >>>>>> [email protected] > > >>>>>> <x-msg://114/[email protected]> > > >>>>>> <x-msg://79/[email protected] > > >>>>>> <x-msg://79/[email protected]>> > >>>>>> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > _______________________________________________ > >>>>> NetBehaviour mailing list > >>>>> [email protected] > > >>>>> <x-msg://114/[email protected]> > > >>>>> <x-msg://79/[email protected] > > >>>>> <x-msg://79/[email protected]>> > >>>>> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Edinburgh College of Art (eca) is a > charity registered in > >>>>> Scotland, number SC009201 > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ > >>>> NetBehaviour mailing list > >>>> [email protected] > > >>>> <x-msg://114/[email protected]> > > >>>> <x-msg://79/[email protected] > > >>>> <x-msg://79/[email protected]>> > >>>> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > >>> > >>> > >>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>> > _______________________________________________ > >>> NetBehaviour mailing list > >>> [email protected] > > >>> <x-msg://114/[email protected]> > > >>> <x-msg://79/[email protected] > > >>> <x-msg://79/[email protected]>> > >>> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > >>> > >>> Edinburgh College of Art (eca) is a charity > registered in Scotland, > >>> number SC009201 > >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ > >>> NetBehaviour mailing list > >>> [email protected] > > >>> <x-msg://114/[email protected]> > >>> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> _______________________________________________ > >> NetBehaviour mailing list > >> [email protected] > <x-msg://114/[email protected]> > >> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > >> > >> Edinburgh College of Art (eca) is a charity > registered in Scotland, > number SC009201 > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> NetBehaviour mailing list > >> [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > >> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NetBehaviour mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > > > > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > _______________________________________________ NetBehaviour mailing list [email protected] http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
