Very good points Michael. The image I posted with the "troll becoming a mountain" (google that phrase for original) and swastika was I don't know... putting things together. Accusing people of being Nazi-like in their behaviour is not nice, I don't wish to do that.
And I would like to expand your suggestion that Martin should post his work here to include everyone. There's very few people who do actually post work here. james. On 8/1/2010, "Michael Szpakowski" <[email protected]> wrote: >Hang on a moment! Martin's original post *was* expressed forcefully but, agree >with it or not, it was a perfectly legitimate contribution here. >He's also had the consistency and courage to argue his position in the face of >overwhelming ( and somewhat smug - "*We* understand - what's not to >understand?") opposition. >There's a nasty whiff of the playground bully to some of the more recent >replies, including the one below. >Personally although I'd try and be a bit more, I hope, nuanced about it I >think Martin raised two real issues. >(1) The fact that academia has become an increasing natural home for artists ( >and indeed a financial necessity for many) and that this has created a genuine >intellectual and creative tension. It simply isn't good enough for academics >to shrug their shoulders and say 'what's the problem guv?' There's *is* a >confusion of poachers and gamekeepers and whilst I'm happy to remain open >minded about the eventual upshot of this it's dishonest to pretend that it >isn't an issue. >(2) The "creative" or "interventionist" role of the curator supported often by >a dose of apparently infinitely malleable "theory" -I incline to the cynical >here *but* at the least I want to assert there is room for debate, for >discussion and investigation. > >Lastly I'd also like to suggest to Martin that he posts some of his work here >- it's in the actual work that differences, if they don't actually dissolve , >at least take on a less threatening aspect... > >cheers >michael > > > > > >--- On Fri, 1/8/10, Corrado Morgana <[email protected]> wrote: > >> From: Corrado Morgana <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel >> VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January >> To: "'NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity'" >> <[email protected]> >> Date: Friday, January 8, 2010, 11:05 AM >> Hi, >> >> >> I am of the impression that the silver spacesuit and >> jetpacked future has >> arrived and that Mr Mitchell is a very sophisticated >> trollbot! >> >> Mr. Mitchell's impossibility of being both artist and >> academic is UTTER >> NONSENSE, I agree Tom >> >> Troll (Internet) >> From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia >> >> "Do not feed the trolls" and its abbreviation DNFTT >> redirect here. For the >> Wikimedia essay, see "What is a troll?". >> >> In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts >> inflammatory, extraneous, or >> off-topic messages in an online community, such as an >> online discussion >> forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of >> provoking other users >> into an emotional response[1] or of otherwise disrupting >> normal on-topic >> discussion.[2] >> >> We all know what happens to trolls... >> >> C >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] >> On Behalf Of tom corby >> Sent: 08 January 2010 8:52 AM >> To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity >> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: >> Multichannel >> VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th >> January >> >> So you can't be both? Sorry this is nonsense. >> >> martin mitchell wrote: >> > >> > >> > Artists who teach in art colleges unfortunately seem >> to become academics. >> > >> > An individual is either an artist or an academic. >> > >> > >> > On 7 Jan 2010, at 23:54, Simon Biggs wrote: >> > >> >> Most people on this list are artists, including >> myself. Any academic >> >> roles we have are a result of what we have done as >> artists, not >> >> academics. That is part of socio-economics... >> >> >> >> Simon Biggs >> >> >> >> Research Professor >> >> edinburgh college of art >> >> [email protected] >> >> www.eca.ac.uk >> >> >> >> *C*reative *I*nterdisciplinary *R*esearch into >> *C*o*L*laborative >> >> *E*nvironments >> >> CIRCLE research group >> >> www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ >> >> >> >> [email protected] >> <x-msg://114/[email protected]> >> >> www.littlepig.org.uk <http://www.littlepig.org.uk> >> >> AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> *From: *martin mitchell <[email protected] >> >> >> <x-msg://114/[email protected]>> >> >> *Reply-To: *NetBehaviour for networked distributed >> creativity >> >> <[email protected] >> >> >> <x-msg://114/[email protected]>> >> >> *Date: *Thu, 07 Jan 2010 23:39:14 +0000 >> >> *To: *NetBehaviour for networked distributed >> creativity >> >> <[email protected] >> >> >> <x-msg://114/[email protected]>> >> >> *Subject: *Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for >> Submissions: Multichannel >> >> VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline >> 28th January >> >> >> >> WHOW..............No the complete opposite I'm an >> artist and not an >> >> academic. >> >> >> >> >> >> On 7 Jan 2010, at 23:28, Simon Biggs wrote: >> >> >> >>> You don't like art? >> >>> >> >>> Simon Biggs >> >>> >> >>> Research Professor >> >>> edinburgh college of art >> >>> [email protected] >> >>> www.eca.ac.uk >> >>> >> >>> *C*reative *I*nterdisciplinary *R*esearch into >> *C*o*L*laborative >> >>> *E*nvironments >> >>> CIRCLE research group >> >>> www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ >> >>> >> >>> [email protected] >> <x-msg://114/[email protected]> >> >> >>> <x-msg://79/[email protected] >> <x-msg://79/[email protected]>> >> >>> www.littlepig.org.uk <http://www.littlepig.org.uk> >> >>> <http://www.littlepig.org.uk <http://www.littlepig.org.uk/>> >> >>> AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>> *From: *martin mitchell <[email protected] >> >> >>> <x-msg://114/[email protected]> >> >> >>> <x-msg://79/[email protected] >> <x-msg://79/[email protected]>> >> > >> >>> *Reply-To: *NetBehaviour for networked >> distributed creativity >> >>> <[email protected] >> >> >>> <x-msg://114/[email protected]> >> >> >>> <x-msg://79/[email protected] >> >> >>> <x-msg://79/[email protected]>> >> > >> >>> *Date: *Thu, 07 Jan 2010 17:42:10 +0000 >> >>> *To: *NetBehaviour for networked distributed >> creativity >> >>> <[email protected] >> >> >>> <x-msg://114/[email protected]> >> >> >>> <x-msg://79/[email protected] >> >> >>> <x-msg://79/[email protected]>> >> > >> >>> *Subject: *Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for >> Submissions: Multichannel >> >>> VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline >> 28th January >> >>> >> >>> Have no idea what this means >> .......... >> >>> >> >>> "They want some video art that engages >> current international >> >>> socio-economic events to put in an >> exhibition". >> >>> >> >>> Common sense tells us it's meaningless. >> >>> >> >>> Just cannot write anymore........... this is >> embarrassing nonsense. >> >>> >> >>> martin mitchell. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On 7 Jan 2010, at 17:11, james morris wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHoCd1pTJx4&feature=PlayList&p=5840AC014CA20F >> 89&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=56 >> >>>> >> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHoCd1pTJx4&feature=PlayList&p=5840AC014CA20 >> F89&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=56> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> :) >> >>>> >> >>>> On 7/1/2010, "Simon Biggs" <[email protected] >> >> >>>> <x-msg://114/[email protected]> >> <x-msg://79/[email protected] >> >> >>>> <x-msg://79/[email protected]>> >> > wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>>> Seems clear to me. They want some >> video art that engages current >> >>>>> international socio-economic events to >> put in an exhibition. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Simon Biggs >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Research Professor >> >>>>> edinburgh college of art >> >>>>> [email protected] >> <x-msg://114/[email protected]> >> >> >>>>> <x-msg://79/[email protected] >> <x-msg://79/[email protected]>> >> >>>>> www.eca.ac.uk <http://www.eca.ac.uk> <http://www.eca.ac.uk >> >>>>> <http://www.eca.ac.uk/>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Creative Interdisciplinary Research >> into CoLlaborative Environments >> >>>>> CIRCLE research group >> >>>>> www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ <http://www.eca.ac.uk/circle/> >> >>>>> <http://www.eca.ac.uk/circle/> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> [email protected] >> <x-msg://114/[email protected]> >> >> >>>>> <x-msg://79/[email protected] >> >> >>>>> <x-msg://79/[email protected]>> >> >>>>> www.littlepig.org.uk <http://www.littlepig.org.uk> >> >>>>> <http://www.littlepig.org.uk <http://www.littlepig.org.uk/>> >> >>>>> AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> From: martin mitchell <[email protected] >> >> >>>>> <x-msg://114/[email protected]> >> >> >>>>> <x-msg://79/[email protected] >> >> >>>>> <x-msg://79/[email protected]>> >> > >> >>>>> Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked >> distributed creativity >> >>>>> <[email protected] >> >> >>>>> <x-msg://114/[email protected]> >> >> >>>>> <x-msg://79/[email protected] >> >> >>>>> <x-msg://79/[email protected]>> >> > >> >>>>> Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 15:50:15 +0000 >> >>>>> To: NetBehaviour for networked >> distributed creativity >> >>>>> <[email protected] >> >> >>>>> <x-msg://114/[email protected]> >> >> >>>>> <x-msg://79/[email protected] >> >> >>>>> <x-msg://79/[email protected]>> >> > >> >>>>> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for >> Submissions: Multichannel >> >>>>> Variable >> >>>>> Economies Screening Programme Deadline >> 28th January >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Is this another example of >> administrative gobbledegook ...........! >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Have no idear of what you are trying >> to describe. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> martin mitchell [ artist ]. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On 7 Jan 2010, at 11:25, Helen Sloan >> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> Hello >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> This is my first post here and >> it's a call - sorry. I really >> >>>>>> enjoyed the >> >>>>>> Dark Mountain debate and the one >> that's emerging on Second Life >> >>>>>> so far. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Meantime, I hope this is of >> interest and do contact if you want >> >>>>>> more info. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Happy New Year >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Helen >> >>>>>> Helen Sloan >> >>>>>> SCAN >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> CALL FOR SUBMISSIONS: Multichannel >> 3 >> >>>>>> Title: Variable Economies >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Variable Economies provides the >> theme for the programme of works for >> >>>>>> Multichannel 2010. The theme >> implies the current global economic >> >>>>>> downturn, >> >>>>>> decreased availability of >> resources influenced by human >> >>>>>> intervention in the >> >>>>>> natural environment, shifts in >> national and global political >> >>>>>> emphasis, and >> >>>>>> formally in relation to the making >> of artist film and video. For >> >>>>>> Multichannel 2010 artists are >> invited to submit works for >> >>>>>> selection that >> >>>>>> touch upon the themes of the >> programme in terms of the use of the >> >>>>>> medium/material of film and >> video. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Multichannel is a screening >> programme of artists film and video, >> >>>>>> organised >> >>>>>> and curated by ArtSway and SCAN in >> ArtSway's galleries. The >> >>>>>> programme, which >> >>>>>> previously took place at ArtSway >> in 2007 and 2008, will once >> >>>>>> again feature >> >>>>>> both established practitioners, as >> well as ground breaking video >> >>>>>> works by >> >>>>>> artists from across the UK, and >> around the world. This year we >> >>>>>> are pleased >> >>>>>> to announce that Animate Projects >> will partner on Multichannel. >> >>>>>> The selection panel for >> Multichannel 3 is: Gary Thomas, >> >>>>>> Co-director Animate >> >>>>>> Projects; Helen Sloan, Director, >> SCAN; Peter Bonnell, Curator, >> >>>>>> ArtSway. >> >>>>>> Criteria/ Format of works for >> selection: Please submit your work >> >>>>>> for viewing >> >>>>>> on DVD. Should your piece be >> selected, we will ask you to supply >> >>>>>> your work >> >>>>>> as raw uncompressed files >> preferably on MiniDV, uncompressed .mpg >> >>>>>> or ..avi. >> >>>>>> Duration: We will accept pieces of >> any duration but please be >> >>>>>> aware that the >> >>>>>> screenings last up to 2 hours and >> shorter pieces will take >> >>>>>> preference. In >> >>>>>> exceptional circumstances we may >> be able to consider one-off >> >>>>>> screenings of >> >>>>>> longer pieces. Open to: artists of >> any age, in any part of the world, >> >>>>>> working in the format of film or >> video. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Deadline for submitting works: >> Thursday 28 January 2010 >> >>>>>> Selection panel meets: Week >> beginning 8 February 2010 >> >>>>>> Notification of selection result: >> 26 February 2010 >> >>>>>> Exhibition of Multichannel 3 at >> ArtSway: 2 April - 11 April 2010 >> >>>>>> Contact and address to send work: >> Peter Bonnell, Curator, >> >>>>>> ArtSway, Station >> >>>>>> Road, Sway, SO41 6BA, UK >> >>>>>> For more information please >> contact Peter on +44 (0)1590 682260 >> >>>>>> (+4) or >> >>>>>> email: [email protected] >> <x-msg://114/[email protected]> >> >> >>>>>> <x-msg://79/[email protected] >> >> >>>>>> <x-msg://79/[email protected]>> >> <mailto:[email protected]> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>> NetBehaviour mailing list >> >>>>>> [email protected] >> >> >>>>>> <x-msg://114/[email protected]> >> >> >>>>>> <x-msg://79/[email protected] >> >> >>>>>> <x-msg://79/[email protected]>> >> >>>>>> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>> NetBehaviour mailing list >> >>>>> [email protected] >> >> >>>>> <x-msg://114/[email protected]> >> >> >>>>> <x-msg://79/[email protected] >> >> >>>>> <x-msg://79/[email protected]>> >> >>>>> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Edinburgh College of Art (eca) is a >> charity registered in >> >>>>> Scotland, number SC009201 >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> NetBehaviour mailing list >> >>>> [email protected] >> >> >>>> <x-msg://114/[email protected]> >> >> >>>> <x-msg://79/[email protected] >> >> >>>> <x-msg://79/[email protected]>> >> >>>> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> >>> NetBehaviour mailing list >> >>> [email protected] >> >> >>> <x-msg://114/[email protected]> >> >> >>> <x-msg://79/[email protected] >> >> >>> <x-msg://79/[email protected]>> >> >>> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >> >>> >> >>> Edinburgh College of Art (eca) is a charity >> registered in Scotland, >> >>> number SC009201 >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> >>> NetBehaviour mailing list >> >>> [email protected] >> >> >>> <x-msg://114/[email protected]> >> >>> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> NetBehaviour mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> <x-msg://114/[email protected]> >> >> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >> >> >> >> Edinburgh College of Art (eca) is a charity >> registered in Scotland, >> number SC009201 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> NetBehaviour mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]> >> >> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > NetBehaviour mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NetBehaviour mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NetBehaviour mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >> >_______________________________________________ >NetBehaviour mailing list >[email protected] >http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > _______________________________________________ NetBehaviour mailing list [email protected] http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
