Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: MultichannelVariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January

[Alan Sondheim]

Whatever. For the record I'm not an "academic artist." Precisely I'm 
teaching one course as an adjunct substitute at an artschool, by chance. 
So I'm not sure where this is coming from - if you knew anything about me 
or my work you wouldn't have said that. My income last year by the way was 
$9000 which places me somewhere below the working class, at least in the 
US.

On Fri, 8 Jan 2010, martin mitchell wrote:

Hopefully I'm not trying to say how artists are allowed to be or not, just 
trying in my own way to describe a difference from my perspective in society 
between how I view academia or academics and independent practising artists 
both are enlightening professions. there are people who try to do both but 
surely there is a crossing point to acknowledge one has entered the world of 
academia, its only an opinion that has developed over number of years, The last 
time I entered a University during last approximately 30 years was last summer. 
Visiting Glasgow University where my daughter is studying and found the 
experience attractive enjoying the smell of leather and knowledge emanating 
from books in library and granite walls.
Initially I wrote on this site for first time in reaction to a piece by Helen which was 
to my environment difficult to understand, subsequently she wrote a second time a more 
descriptive piece that was helpful.......... ok ........... my initial emails should have 
been more thoughtful and descriptive not foreseeing such odd/spiteful invective was to be 
sent, consequently my point of view has been drawn into a corner and dubbed dogmatic 
emphasised by some of my sentences used as quotes  drawn out of context, reminding me 
dare I say of ................ school essay criticism..................or 
................ the behaviour of two individuals who describe themselves as academic 
artists calling me a "troll" in reference to certain traits of behaviour 
displayed on such sites which i deny, or a swastika daubed across couple of sentence 
quotes from my previous email communication............. I shall say no more......!
Maybe the difference between academic and non academic art is illustrated in 
the difference between Reynolds and Rembrandt portraits or Hockney and Bacon, 
now I'm creating boxes ........ I'll sit in one for a while and go to sleep.

Have Fun.

Martin.





On 8 Jan 2010, at 21:38, TOM CORBY wrote:

Martin, let me remind you that you are the person making the dogmatic 
statements about what artists are allowed to be or not. Yes there is a 
distinction between simply a practising artist and a common all garden 
academic. There are also people who do both, who teach, carry out studio 
practice, exhibit and write. This is not  earth shaking stuff.
Academics or academia is a prescribed process of thought to prove a theory, 
factual based breadcrumb trail to prove perhaps a defined fact.

Not in any academic discipline I know of or have been involved with. Quite the 
opposite. Even in the sciences. Particularily in the humanities and especially 
in visual arts.

there are thousands of artists on planet earth who have nothing to do with 
academia.

Great, the more the merrier, the fact that there are also people who happen to 
be academics too doesn't devalue that.
Art or its creation is more to do with free thinking even irrational thought often about 
a visual idea that >does not have proof in academic terms but initially exists as 
image, event or 3D, many times an artist >will create something but is unable to 
explain how it came into being. Academic thought process is >different you have an 
idea and set out to prove it with verifiable facts.

I'm puzzled to what you actually think artists who have academic roles actually 
do. do you believe that they get an idea and then illustrate it? Do you think 
artists who work in academia make work in different ways to those outside of 
it? I'm trying to get to the root of the issue here in all good faith.

best wishes

tom


From: martin mitchell <martinmitc...@mac.com>
To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity 
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Sent: Friday, 8 January, 2010 19:55:26
Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: MultichannelVariableEconomies 
Screening Programme Deadline 28th January

Once more insecurity is wafting through some of these replies.

I'm merely saying there is a distinction between being an artist and an 
academic.................. in my conversations with Joseph Beuys when he was 
alive he talked about teaching not academia, remember it was entrenched 
academics that tried to close down his department which is a distant memory so 
slightly foggy on details.
John Cage used to visit Goldsmith College in London each summer and teach his 
understanding of sound/silence but he understood it to be teaching [ passing on 
sound ]
Academics or academia is a prescribed process of thought to prove a theory, 
factual based breadcrumb trail to prove perhaps a defined fact.
Art or its creation is more to do with free thinking even irrational thought 
often about a visual idea that does not have proof in academic terms but 
initially exists as image, event or 3D, many times an artist will create 
something but is unable to explain how it came into being. Academic thought 
process is different you have an idea and set out to prove it with verifiable 
facts.

Teaching is different from above.

My background comes from being an artist all my life but making a living when 
needed in the past from running a small building renovation company, the last 
time I was involved with teaching at a London Art College was thankfully 
1980-81.............. Leaving because the age of Art Colleges employing artists 
to teach was drawing to a close plus one started to need a teaching 
qualification to be awarded even a sniff of a contract.

When I read such statements about poacher-gamkeeper or the 1960's view that was 
taught within education about artist living in garrets and dying of consumption 
and then jumping to statements concerning weapons of mass destruction then 
agreeing with someone who has been sending me nazi symbols, which to me is 
highly offensive because my father was working class racist and a brown shirt 
in late 1930's causing me to leave home day after finishing my exams and 
fleeing to london then onto Art College frankly leaves me speechless.

I have no need to blame or accuse because I'm confident about my creative ideas 
and images, certainly do not wish to be part of a blame culture but one has to 
accept there are thousands of artists on planet earth who have nothing to do 
with academia.

Academia is probable a wonderful and enlightening career, beneficial to world 
culture and industry an occupation full of interesting and noble people.

It's just that i see a difference between an academic and artist.

Even within my own household there is a difference of opinion my daughter 
disagrees with my idea, she is about to catch train back to Glasgow University 
where she is a Literature student but our discussion has the tone of a sensible 
discussion .................. hopefully that will happen on this communication 
site.

 http://www.crispynails.co.uk/

http://www.vimeo.com/crispynails

http://www.flickr.com/photos/crispy_nails_animation/

Martin Mitchell.

Crispy Nails Animation Studio.


On 8 Jan 2010, at 15:47, tom corby wrote:

I'm with Corrado here.

Martin is welcome to believe that you can't simultaneously purse artist
and academic careers. I suggest that considerable empirical evidence
exists to demonstrate otherwise. I guess Joseph Beuys wasn't an artist...

Michael has chipped in with some elaborations on what Martin may or may
not have meant. Here is my response.

Artists haven't "recently" become more and more involved in academia.
The first institutional art and architecture schools opened in this
country in the 19th century. Before the majority of universities inf
fact. There is a  (very rich) tradition in this country and in many
others such as Germany, US etc.  that people who work in these places
also are practicing artists.

To set-up some kind of 'poacher-gamekeeper" division between the "real
artists" presumably starving, living in garratts and and working
independently  and those who have academic posts and also continue to
practice is not something I think I can subscribe to.

I'm frankly baffled by the attacks on people who are practicing
artists/academics.

It's not as though we design weapons of mass production for a living.

For me anyhow there is a whiff of the neo-liberal right about all this.
Real artists live and work in the private sector and then you've got the
other lot - the mendicants who work in the public sector. //


Corrado Morgana wrote:
There was absolutely no intent to bully, merely point out that this is, in
my opinion, trolling and intended to be devisive and provocative in a manner
that is not consistent with the kind of debates on this list.
In other forums people are kicked, banned, threads are locked for trolling.
Let's not go down that route and just have the decency to ignore or
playfully critique; shutting up however is something that I may have
difficulty with.

I am an artist and an academic and feel attacked by certain comments on this
list. I am sick of continually having to justify my worldview as an artist,
academic, son of an immigrant, owner of massive shouldered chip, a
combination of the preceding. I do not feel particularly comfortable with
any of these terms, I just do stuff, but when cornered, I'm an artist
/Academic so there;-)

The idea that academic discourse/production kills art or is incompatible is
na?ve. Research informs, cultivates, nurtures, expands and in some cases
pays the bills.
An artist either buys into these structures, intervenes and subverts these
structures or creates their own structures. All of these have the potential
to become self languaging and/or non-critical. I know many artists and many
academics. This does not readily equate to artists and those who teach art.
I know teachers of art who are called academics only in the sense that they
work in academia as well as those who publish both practice and text and
teach. I think that the schema of artist/teacher/writer and researcher may
add a spanner of clarity or complexity to some perceptions of academics. In
the end it's just a way to make significant acts.

There will always be artists who are bad teachers or academics who are bad
artists...artists and academics who are monocultural and cannot see the
larger picture are worse than both.

C



-----Original Message-----
From: netbehaviour-boun...@netbehaviour.org
[mailto:netbehaviour-boun...@netbehaviour.org] On Behalf Of Michael
Szpakowski
Sent: 08 January 2010 12:22 PM
To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions:
MultichannelVariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January

Hang on a moment! Martin's original post *was* expressed forcefully but,
agree with it or not, it was a perfectly legitimate contribution here.
He's also had the consistency and courage to argue his position in the face
of overwhelming ( and somewhat smug - "*We* understand - what's not to
understand?") opposition.
There's a nasty whiff of the playground bully to some of the more recent
replies, including the one below.
Personally although I'd try and be a bit more, I hope, nuanced about it I
think Martin raised two real issues.
(1) The fact that academia has become an increasing natural home for artists
( and indeed a financial necessity for many) and that this has created a
genuine intellectual and creative tension. It simply isn't good enough for
academics to shrug their shoulders and say 'what's the problem guv?' There's
*is* a confusion of poachers and gamekeepers and whilst I'm happy to remain
open minded about the eventual upshot of this it's dishonest to pretend that
it isn't an issue.
(2) The "creative" or "interventionist" role of the curator supported often
by a dose of apparently infinitely malleable "theory" -I incline to the
cynical here *but* at the least I want to assert there is room for debate,
for discussion and investigation.

Lastly I'd also like to suggest to Martin that he posts some of his work
here - it's in the actual work that differences, if they don't actually
dissolve , at least take on a less threatening aspect...

cheers
michael





--- On Fri, 1/8/10, Corrado Morgana <corradomorg...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:


From: Corrado Morgana <corradomorg...@blueyonder.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel

VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January

To: "'NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity'"

<netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org>

Date: Friday, January 8, 2010, 11:05 AM
Hi,


I am of the impression that the silver spacesuit and
jetpacked future has
arrived and that Mr Mitchell is a very sophisticated
trollbot!

Mr. Mitchell's impossibility of being both artist and
academic is UTTER
NONSENSE, I agree Tom

Troll (Internet)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Do not feed the trolls" and its abbreviation DNFTT
redirect here. For the
Wikimedia essay, see "What is a troll?".

In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts
inflammatory, extraneous, or
off-topic messages in an online community, such as an
online discussion
forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of
provoking other users
into an emotional response[1] or of otherwise disrupting
normal on-topic
discussion.[2]

We all know what happens to trolls...

C






-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of tom corby
Sent: 08 January 2010 8:52 AM
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Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions:
Multichannel
VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th
January

So you can't be both? Sorry this is nonsense.

martin mitchell wrote:

Artists who teach in art colleges unfortunately seem

to become academics.

An individual is either an artist or an academic.


On 7 Jan 2010, at 23:54, Simon Biggs wrote:


Most people on this list are artists, including

myself. Any academic

roles we have are a result of what we have done as

artists, not

academics. That is part of socio-economics...

Simon Biggs

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WHOW..............No the complete opposite I'm an

artist and not an

academic.


On 7 Jan 2010, at 23:28, Simon Biggs wrote:


You don't like art?

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 Have no idea what  this means

..........

 "They want some video art that engages

current international

socio-economic events to put in an

exhibition".

Common sense tells us it's meaningless.

Just cannot write anymore........... this is

embarrassing nonsense.

martin mitchell.



On 7 Jan 2010, at 17:11, james morris wrote:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHoCd1pTJx4&feature=PlayList&p=5840AC014CA20F

89&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=56

<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHoCd1pTJx4&feature=PlayList&p=5840AC014CA20

F89&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=56>

:)

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Seems clear to me. They want some

video art that engages current

international socio-economic events to

put in an exhibition.

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Is this another example of

administrative gobbledegook ...........!

Have no idear of what you are trying

to describe.

martin mitchell [ artist ].

On 7 Jan 2010, at 11:25, Helen Sloan

wrote:

Hello

This is my first post here and

it's a call - sorry. I really

enjoyed the
Dark Mountain debate and the one

that's emerging on Second Life

so far.

Meantime, I hope this is of

interest and do contact if you want

more info.

Happy New Year

Helen
Helen Sloan
SCAN

CALL FOR SUBMISSIONS: Multichannel

3

Title: Variable Economies

Variable Economies provides the

theme for the programme of works for

Multichannel 2010. The theme

implies the current global economic

downturn,
decreased availability of

resources influenced by human

intervention in the
natural environment, shifts in

national and global political

emphasis, and
formally in relation to the making

of artist film and video.  For

Multichannel 2010 artists are

invited to submit works for

selection that
touch upon the themes of the

programme in terms of the use of the

medium/material of film and

video.

Multichannel is a screening

programme of artists film and video,

organised
and curated by ArtSway and SCAN in

ArtSway's galleries. The

programme, which
previously took place at ArtSway

in 2007 and 2008, will once

again feature
both established practitioners, as

well as ground breaking video

works by
artists from across the UK, and

around the world. This year we

are pleased
to announce that Animate Projects

will partner on Multichannel.

The selection panel for

Multichannel 3 is: Gary Thomas,

Co-director Animate
Projects; Helen Sloan, Director,

SCAN; Peter Bonnell, Curator,

ArtSway.
Criteria/ Format of works for

selection: Please submit your work

for viewing
on DVD. Should your piece be

selected, we will ask you to supply

your work
as raw uncompressed files

preferably on MiniDV, uncompressed .mpg

or ..avi.
Duration: We will accept pieces of

any duration but please be

aware that the
screenings last up to 2 hours and

shorter pieces will take

preference. In
exceptional circumstances we may

be able to consider one-off

screenings of
longer pieces. Open to: artists of

any age, in any part of the world,

working in the format of film or

video.

Deadline for submitting works:

Thursday 28 January 2010

Selection panel meets: Week

beginning 8 February 2010

Notification of selection result:

26 February 2010

Exhibition of Multichannel 3 at

ArtSway: 2 April - 11 April 2010

Contact and address to send work:

Peter Bonnell, Curator,

ArtSway, Station
Road, Sway, SO41 6BA, UK
For more information please

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