dear Marc, Michael, all
yes, you may be right Michael that I did not fully sense what Annie also
implied when she expressed her concern, and what you were stating as your worry
now (that one may end up being accused of sexism), though I am probably closer,
in my affinities, to go with Paul's comment on the strength and resonance of
Abramovic's body of work over the years, than with your advocacy of
tastelessness. I don't think i was singing praises of sacrosanct art, on the
contrary. And, Marc, I also see you point but would still argue that you can't
separate Thatcher's politics from gender and the way gender was performed in
that arena.
Michael's or your call for a vigorous critique seems to be directed at how the
icon MA now gets played out by the institutions or how art celebrities (who may
or may not take themselves too seriously) use the market or the institutions to
their ends which artists, I thought, always wanted to do and have done (Rothko
I cannot say, but the Chapel they built for him in Houston is a pious chapel,
all right; Viola's early work I liked a lot, Richter's early work as well,
while Jeff Koons I always considered tasteless trash kitsch, etc). But how then
does the critique play into the hands of the handlers and PR agents of art and
capital?
As to the "rights of the audience," I was not deprived of any of my rights at Serpentine,
not had to give up my phone or notebook. I had to wait in a queue, but that I have done on other
occasions. No interventions were shut out, I think Abramovic welcomes them. The framers may not, but
that can be intervened against. I do remember being asked, at the door when entering, to be respectful.
(same happened when I visited the Prado)(same happens, implicitly, with Miss Revolutionary Idol
Berserker, a Japanese shock troupe currently performing their "Noise & Darkness" on the
continent, an exquisitely rambunctious and tasteless show!).
Johannes
[Paul Hertz schreibt]
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2014 3:36 PM
To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] MARINA ABRAMOPUG the genius!
On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 7:28 AM, marc garrett
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Well, Marina Abramović’s work will survive — however, not because of quality
but because of the power systems in place to make history happen for artists
who adhere to the role and myth of genius, it is all part of the inside joke
for those who rule the ‘propriety based’ art world.
Or her work will survive in its cultural resonance because even in the smallest
intervention, before fame made her an icon, there was sufficient strength and
luminosity to her work to affect people. Such resonance by no means implies a
pile of handsome coffee table books or a sheaf of academic papers—it only
suggests that art changes people, in some measure, directly, in their lives.
-- Paul
On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 7:28 AM, marc garrett
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Hi Michael & Annie,
your kindness does you credit but I do think there absolutely has to be
space for humour, even sharply parodic or satirical humour in art. If the
work is solid it will survive it.
Well, Marina Abramović’s work will survive — however, not because of quality
but because of the power systems in place to make history happen for artists
who adhere to the role and myth of genius, it is all part of the inside joke
for those who rule the ‘propriety based’ art world.
Ironically the various satirical japes she has engendered help to
confirm her in this role.
Sadly, this may be true ;-(
wishing you well.
marc
HI Annie
your kindness does you credit but I do think there absolutely has to be space
for humour, even sharply parodic or satirical humour in art. If the work is
solid it will survive it.
An interesting question is why MA and not you. I would venture:
(1) You are deeply serious about your work but you don't give off the aroma of
pious smugness which I'm afraid for me MA does.
(2) Although you set up rigorous structures in your work you are open to surprise,
to human frailty and intervention ( indeed I'd argue that it is one of your central
themes) - you *trust* people - MA shuts out the intervention of others in her
Serpentine piece - people have to give up phones, cameras, whatever at the door.
This particular response ( the pug piece) comes as no surprise to me. I had given
some thought to how one might assert the rights of the audience ( including those
of other artists -the right to record, to think contrary thoguhts and act upon them
&c) vis a vis the Sepentine performance but couldn't think of anything that
either wouldn't involve me getting arrested or would cost too much.
(3) MA is an art superstar/celebrity. My starting point is that someone in this
extraordinarily unnatural & privileged position has to repeatedly prove that
they are worth it. Ironically the various satirical japes she has engendered help
to confirm her in this role.
cheers
michael
From: Annie Abrahams <[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]>
To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
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Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] MARINA ABRAMOPUG the genius!
I wouldn't like to be made fun of like this, would you?
M A made some errors, but the performance this is referring too was good as far
as I am concerned
Best
Annie
On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 1:27 PM, helen varley jamieson
<[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
it's great :)
On 21/08/14 11:19 AM, marc garrett wrote:
MARINA ABRAMOPUG
The 'official' genius performance artist at Serpentine | best show yet ;-)
g
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HI Annie
your kindness does you credit but I do think there absolutely has to be space
for humour, even sharply parodic or satirical humour in art. If the work is
solid it will survive it.
An interesting question is why MA and not you. I would venture:
(1) You are deeply serious about your work but you don't give off the aroma of
pious smugness which I'm afraid for me MA does.
(2) Although you set up rigorous structures in your work you are open to surprise,
to human frailty and intervention ( indeed I'd argue that it is one of your central
themes) - you *trust* people - MA shuts out the intervention of others in her
Serpentine piece - people have to give up phones, cameras, whatever at the door.
This particular response ( the pug piece) comes as no surprise to me. I had given
some thought to how one might assert the rights of the audience ( including those
of other artists -the right to record, to think contrary thoguhts and act upon them
&c) vis a vis the Sepentine performance but couldn't think of anything that
either wouldn't involve me getting arrested or would cost too much.
(3) MA is an art superstar/celebrity. My starting point is that someone in this
extraordinarily unnatural & privileged position has to repeatedly prove that
they are worth it. Ironically the various satirical japes she has engendered help
to confirm her in this role.
cheers
michael
________________________________
From: Annie Abrahams <[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]>
To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
<[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] MARINA ABRAMOPUG the genius!
I wouldn't like to be made fun of like this, would you?
M A made some errors, but the performance this is referring too was good as far
as I am concerned
Best
Annie
On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 1:27 PM, helen varley jamieson
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
it's great :)
On 21/08/14 11:19 AM, marc garrett wrote:
MARINA ABRAMOPUG
The 'official' genius performance artist at Serpentine | best show yet ;-)
[g]
More...
http://go.shr.lc/1w2Alcp
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