>>>>> "Social medial platforms are designed by commercial companies to elicit very particular types of normalising exchange between masses of people I don't see any general connection with mass social media usage.²
@Ruth, I am complete sympathetic with the underlying premise of your position, however, isn¹t it the role of the artist to disrupt these platforms and make them our own? If it is impossible for artists to detourn, restructure, or remake social relations using anything designed by a commercial company, which is almost everything, then we are truly sunk. Like the Situationists, the detourn was intended to ³break² or ³resist² existing power structures and alter their political reality on our terms, not theirs. Can¹t we make significant work with a Mac or a PC or a iPhone or present our work in a commercial gallery or a theater owned by a corporation? It seems there is no end to the structures we are forced to work within that are commercial and corporate, it is the very world we operate in a capitalist society. That said, I think it then becomes the responsibility or the objective of the artist to pursue these disruptions within the existing framework, commercial or not, or as you point out, to ³critique and expose the logic of the platforms.² But if we don¹t challenge and confront these platforms, how else can we expose them? Regarding the linkage between the Happenings and social media, I am speaking very formally here in terms of specific paradigms, processes, and techniques that the two share in common. It is perhaps more a call-to-action then a reality. On 04/03/15 16:19, Randall Packer wrote: > > > It is my personal opinion that social media promises, at least in part a new > look at the collective forms that emerged in the 1960s & 1970s. I don¹t want > to go into a full-blown lecture here (my students get enough of that), but the > link between the Happening and social media platforms such as Twitter, > Facebook, Tumblr, the mailing lists, etc., suggest there is plenty of creative > room for improvisation and audience engagement + interaction + remix in this > form of participatory, collective narrative via the network. > > I have heard eminent artists and theorists make this argument before and it feels all wrong to me. Social medial platforms are designed by commercial companies to elicit very particular types of normalising exchange between masses of people. From the perspective of the platform providers, the purpose of the users actions and interactions is to squirt lucrative data. The functioning of Happenings and Intermedial exchange was to detourn, restructure, or re-make social relations- if only for a short duration. I don't see any general connection with mass social media usage. There have been media art projects that critique and expose the logic of the platforms. Moddr_'s Web 2.0 Suicide Machine <http://suicidemachine.org/>, Commodify Us <https://commodify.us/>,. Marc interviewed them here http://www.furtherfield.org/features/reviews/commodify-us-our-data-our-terms This is why Furtherfield bangs on about the importance of Free and Open culture (in arts and software) <http://p2pfoundation.net/World_of_Free_and_Open_Source_Art> On 05/03/15 12:20, Randall Packer wrote: > >>>>> >>>> "i mean co-authoring in a way that they can insert their own >>>>> creativity & alter/influence the work.² > > > > > @Helen: I am still interested in the idea that social media (and that includes > this list) is in fact an intermedial exchange & process of co-authorship, that > we are in fact, together, authoring/constructing/generating a collective body > of knowledge via this exchange. If you were to go back and read through the > archives of NetBehaviour I am certain there is a ³cultural record² (to use > the words of Vannevar Bush) with a narrative flow that captures a ³story² of > the time and place and people involved. I consider social media (generally and > perhaps idealistically speaking) to be expressive, performative (not > proconsumative), and participatory in equal measure, narrative in a > non-hierarchical structure, a theater of words and ideas. > > > > > > > > that's quite nice :) > > > > > On 4/03/15 5:09 16PM, Patrick Lichty wrote: > > >> >> >> >> How about ³Performience²? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: netbehaviour-boun...@netbehaviour.org >> [mailto:netbehaviour-boun...@netbehaviour.org] On Behalf Of helen varley >> jamieson >> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 9:45 AM >> To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org >> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] my Netartizen contribution >> >> >> >> >> >> "prosumer" is not a word for actor+audience, it's a word for >> producer+consumer, which is about product and consumption, rather than >> relationship & experience. >> >> i have long hunted for a good word for this - for audiences that are >> participating in a really creative way in a work - & i don't just mean the >> "interactivity" of pressing a button or something like that. i mean >> co-authoring in a way that they can insert their own creativity & >> alter/influence the work. i have written about the "intermedial audience", as >> a way to understand the role of the audience in cyberformance & potentially >> other digital art contexts. >> >> >> >> The concept of intermediality offers a way to approach an audience that is as >> unfinished and (r)evolutionary as the work it is engaging with. It upgrades >> the passive spectator to an integral position within cyberformance, without >> relinquishing the fundamental gap between performer and spectator. At the >> same time, intermediality acknowledges the mental multitasking that >> cyberformance demands of its audience and the paradigm shift that is forced >> onto those more accustomed to the traditional codes of audience behaviour. >> >> (this was written 8 years ago & perhaps needs updating now given then >> increased possibilities for audience participation/contribution.) >> >> i don't think the intermedial audience are "players of equal measure", & i'm >> not sure if this really exists (when an artist or group has conceived the >> work or created the context for it except maybe in gaming?). >> >> h : ) >> >> >> >> On 4/03/15 5:02 28AM, Karl Heinz Jeron wrote: >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> Hello, >>> >>> >>> >>> there is a word for actor and audience in the social media realm: prosumer! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> And hey if at all this is postdramatic theatre. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Followers equals audience? I don't think so. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> KH >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> 2015-03-04 0:05 GMT+01:00 isabel brison <ijayes...@gmail.com>: >>> >>> >>> >>> Hello, >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I can't really agree: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> When we sit in the theater, we are essentially a receiver of information >>>> that is passed from the stage to the audience. But in the world of social >>>> media, we are all actors on the stage: the fourth wall is erased, the >>>> proscenium dissolves, there are no lights to turn down, the suspension of >>>> disbelief is revised, as information (or lines) are passed not just from >>>> the one to many, but from everyone to everyone. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Most of us are audience most of the time, as actors need audience to be >>> actors. And what's the difference between a screen and a stage? except that >>> on a screen it is not always considered bad manners to join in the act. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> And some of us deliberately choose to be audience, others act occasionally, >>> some act as a hobby and others professionally ( though I'm not sure that >>> acting is a good analogy at all for social interaction - there should be a >>> word for actor and audience all in one, and possibly for combinations of >>> different amounts of one and the other). >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> how do we insert ourselves into this story, not as receivers, but as >>>> players of equal measure, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Tweet! Retweet! Respond! - Seriously, that account only has 14 followers. >>> How can it act at all in the absence of audience? Is it a bad actor? If >>> we're all actors then how many of us are bad actors and should consider a >>> change of carreer? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Oh and a funny thing: I followed the link above and it gave me an error. >>> It's really @The_People_Came <https://twitter.com/The_People_Came> . Was >>> that on purpose I wonder? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Isabel - semi-professional lurker >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> http://isabelbrison.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> http://tellthemachines.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NetBehaviour mailing list >>> NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org >>> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> NetBehaviour mailing list >>> >>> NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org >>> >>> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> helen varley jamieson >> he...@creative-catalyst.com >> http://www.creative-catalyst.com >> http://www.talesfromthetowpath.net >> http://www.upstage.org.nz >> >> >> > > > -- > helen varley jamieson > he...@creative-catalyst.com > http://www.creative-catalyst.com > http://www.talesfromthetowpath.net > http://www.upstage.org.nz > > > _______________________________________________ NetBehaviour mailing list > NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > > > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing list > NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.orghttp://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netb > ehaviour > _______________________________________________ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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