Thanks Bjørn,
I enjoyed your response.
I started to feel silly, asking about meaning.
Then I got to " there's asemic writing, for humans, or for cats and
dogs" and realised I didn't know what asemic meant.
This helped. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asemic_writing
Then I started to think how silly the machine was for trying to make
marks that look like those made by beings (humans, dogs, cats) with bodies.
I will continue to enjoy this work. Thank you.
:)
R
On 18/03/15 21:03, Bjørn Magnhildøen wrote:
Hi -
"what it does when it does what it's supposed to do" :)
indeed, that's just about it.
i mean, an open semantic form, would be, given the loop in your
statement, where 'meaning' comes in, biting its tail.
is meaning a loop? or is it open? is it a warm chewing away the dirt
around itself? what about the gestures of the creature, do they have
any meaning?
alphabetic language might be likened to military commands, pitched
rational and effective, building or destroying empires.
beneath that are gestures, body, domains without handles, all kinds
of, call them languages, since we're biological and anything we do is
language as opposed to say random quantum events. it would be really
hard for us to do something 'random' which wouldn't link up to our
specific phenomenology. this, only to say that an 'open semantic form'
is just a looser form of meaning-production, deliberately avoiding the
... and try establishing a poetical - the word - notion of ... not
that 'poetical' is at stake, but how would a feral child communicate,
given its history? can we imagine other types of languages, less
formal,more intuitive than sign and glyph. so there's asemic writing,
for humans, or for cats and dogs. enter the ouroboros, when does it
have meaning, when does the semantic form bite its tail? to be sure,
we do not know even that it's a language. does it decode?does it have
to decode? ah, much we want to decode... the mysteries...if only to
stage them again as theater, doubled form and double negation. the 'O'
stands untouched. i'm writing in your hand instead.
the use i imagined of the asemic chat is like this chat log
http://noemata.net/chatasemic/chat/1426628136.html
where several humans, or reloads of, are chatting, with a bot on the side.
but you see there are others like this
http://noemata.net/chatasemic/chat/1426706990.html
where one part is mute, only the bot is gesturing wildly, so we can
imagine the human is actively imagining what it's saying.
then i like this one also
http://noemata.net/chatasemic/chat/1426624996.html
which is a reframing of language+
i don't know if this answered your question.i thoughtof a primitive
gestural communication, somehow in an absurd chat-form,questioning
language and what we do with it. how could it not be social? keeping
it simple (and stupid), there's some reflective space there, the
context is already full, we arefull, so often we don't need much to
catalyst. lot of text is used to prop up holes in the wall ... anyway,
at some level there's a bridge between language and art, or state your
own river.
thanks for response, appreciated
bjørn
On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 8:34 PM, ruth catlow
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
Thanks for posting : )
It does something on Firefox for linux - I type, it scrawls
(rather charmingly, like a human who doesn't care that I can't
read its handwriting).
but what it does, doesn't tell me what "A wordless open semantic
form of social interaction between humans and bot"
what do the words 'semantic' and 'social' mean.
please could you say more about what it does when it does what
it's supposed to do?
cheers
Ruth
On 17/03/15 18:47, Bjørn Magnhildøen wrote:
i get some response it's not working on mac, not sure if safari
has complete html5 canvas drawing support... haven't
cross-checked on browsers.... still, empty dialogues create
visuals...
On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 7:12 PM, Alan Sondheim
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I played with this online after seeing it on Google+ - it's
amazing and graphically really interesting!
On Tue, 17 Mar 2015, Bj?rn Magnhild?en wrote:
A wordless open semantic form of social interaction
between humans and bot
http://noemata.net/chatasemic/
[human_bot.png]
human + bot
[3humans_bot.png]
3 humans + bot
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