very interesting! On 26/01/16 4:08 14PM, Annie Abrahams wrote: > http://onlineopen.org/inside-hell-we-build-paradise?utm_source=Newsletter+Open!&utm_campaign=729b62c695-Open_31_2016&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_2487a747f3-729b62c695-95978185 > <http://onlineopen.org/inside-hell-we-build-paradise?utm_source=Newsletter+Open%21&utm_campaign=729b62c695-Open_31_2016&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_2487a747f3-729b62c695-95978185> > > 'The New World Summit is an artistic and political organization > founded by visual artist Jonas Staal, dedicated to providing > ‘alternative parliaments’ hosting organizations that currently find > themselves excluded from democracy. The fifth summit (part 1) took > place in Rojava, Syria, in October 2015. Brigitte van der Sande was > part of a delegation that was invited to participate.' > > On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 4:51 PM, Ana Valdés <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > Totally share it! The mag Cointerpunch ran an article with a > discussion in other list about if torture works or not I don't > have the link longer but do a Google search with Ana Valdés > Counterpunch and you find the article. > They used my answer and my own life story as reference > Cheers > Ana > > Thanks Ana, o valueble to hear your thoughts > > but occupation is the same case here, or statelessness, the kurds > have no state, no rights > > I was always a hard core pacifist, my father was an East German > army officer and i was terrified of overflying war planes and I am > absolute against war & violence, post Hitler-Soviet schooled, and > I am still very much a hard core pacifist now, pro diplomatic, > justice, women involvement in solutions, education etc > > but if we make exceptions like the palestinian one, and I agree > their case is very difficult > the same counts for Kurds which are victim to terrible oppression ? > > if a women chooses to fight for an independet cause, not for an > imperialistic state (like israel maybe) > but to defend her very right to exist ? > > i want to add 2 links, one is even american reporting, but good in > this case > > good link by women on women > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcT8Q_6wtLo > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcT8Q_6wtLo> > > summary > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPwZGHivQSQ > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPwZGHivQSQ> > > thanks so much for sharing your thoughts, i would like to ask > permission to share this with another mailing list called female > pressure, we are musicians and media people, and discussing a > solidarity campaign righ now > > is it ok ? > thanks > > > > > On 14 Dec 2015, at 16:30, Ana Valdés <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > Dear thanks for your answer. When I was much younger I believed > in “just wars” and was jailed four years for belonging to the > Tupamaros guerilla, you must know about it since Baader-Meinhof > had Tupamaros as inspiration 😊 > > It was an armed gerilla and to my disclaim I can say today I > was only 19 years old, new examinated from a very stern German > nun’s school I had a highly romantized image of Che Guevara as > icon and etc etc > > Today I am a stern pacifist and the only resistance I understand > its the Palestinian because they are occupied for a foreign power > and they have right to fight for their land. > > > > > > Cheers > > Ana > > > > > > De: AG Forever > > Enviado: lunes, 14 de diciembre de 2015 5:42 > > Para: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity > > Asunto: Re: [NetBehaviour] #rojava > > > > Hi Ana, I always thought like that, I remember how my country / > East Germany didn't last cause the reason to control people with > violence in one place is not lasting.... > > > > This is an interesting article although half a year old, and the > comments confuse me very much re FGM. > > > > https://www.opendemocracy.net/arab-awakening/evangelos-aretaios/rojava-revolution > > > > I would in any moment agree with you but if you can't even hold > a territory and your choice is sex slave or combat fighter, I know > what I would choose... ? > > > > But then there is their revolution. There intentions, their goals.. > > > > > > "In the wider Middle East since the nineteenth century and > before that, the female body is one of the most important symbolic > battlegrounds between modernizers and reactionaries. Today, here > in Syria, this fight is to death. > > “The gangs of Daesh want the woman to be a slave. They don’t > consider us as human beings but only as objects to serve men and > to satisfy his specific needs. They ostentatiously sell women as > slaves as if they were animals”. The girl I speak with is Nupelda, > 20 years old and serves in a mobile company of the Women’s > Protection Units (YPJ) on the front line. This is the army of > women in the autonomous administration of Rojava, fighting side by > side with men in the YPG. Both forces are under the control and > command of PYD. Nupelda has been fighting for two years now." > > > > I am thinking how to call for solidarity for Rojava revolution > and eventually lift of PKK ban in EU... > > > > just thoughts... > > > > ********* > > AGF: @poemproducer / .com > > in order: antyegreie.com <http://antyegreie.com> > > > > > > On 9 Dec 2015, at 01:59, Ana Valdés <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > I was as many of you know at the conference of Women in Black in > India. Women from Afghanistan Congo Bosnia and Armenia shared with > us dark stories of rape forced marriages and impunity we need to > strengthen the civil societies the question is how to achieve it? > If the changes are made with weapons and soldiers (female or > male), we are always prisoners of the weapons and wars as metaphors... > > Ana > > > > Den 6 dec 2015 08:11 skrev "AGF poemproducer" > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>: > > hi, > > > > I spent last days reading and studying the kurdish female > fighters and their efforts to built an independent equal and just > state in north east syria… i am a pacifist in my deepest structure > but have been challanged and confused by what is happening there… > if you need to read up look for hashtags #Rojava > > > > any thoughts ? > > > > (i find this article a good sum up) > > > > > > http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2015/11/25/rojava_is_a_radical_experiment_in_democracy_in_northern_syria_american_leftists.html > > > > "I recently spoke to someone from the Kurdish women’s movement > in Rojava and asked what they need most. She said they need a > massive international solidarity campaign, beginning with > political education about the evolution of the PKK and its > politics, including its emphasis on democratic governance, > anti-sectarianism, secularism, ecology, and women’s liberation. In > practical terms, they need all possible international pressure to > be put on Turkey and the KRG to end the embargo and let supplies > through. They need the terrorist designation to be lifted so they > can travel and raise money and do public speaking." > > > > some more… > > > > > > http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/12/02/remembering-murray-bookchin/<http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/12/02/remembering-murray-bookchin/> > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Protection_Units<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People's_Protection_Units > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Protection_Units> > > > > maybe this is also a good thing/ althought americans all over > this, but maybe for the right reasons for a change > > > > https://secure.avaaz.org/en/petition/Presidents_Obama_and_Hollande_Prime_Ministers_Cameron_and_Turnbull_Help_the_Kurds_cut_off_ISILs_route_to_Europe/?wTXkYjb > > > > http://thelionsofrojava.com/index.php/join/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NetBehaviour mailing list > > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > > _______________________________________________ > > NetBehaviour mailing list > > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > > > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing list > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > > > > > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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