Can images not be so complex? Pinterest satisfies all of your concerns except the part about words.
It takes just as much thought to use it well, as reading an essay. Pinterest is a (the only?) curatorial mass medium, and curation takes time. Some people try to use it like Fb or a Blog and fail horribly. Many use it simply as a bookmark engine. Pinterest hates this. Pinterest wants you to spend a long time deciding whether to delete an image or not. And with large community boards that are heavily curated, it becomes a very social practice. Let me know your ideas! On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 1:30 PM, Alan Sondheim <[email protected]> wrote: > > I love the conversation inside Android! I can imagine plays written like > this, it would be an interesting genre. I'm on Win10 however and it may be > a bit different. > > On Fb I'm not that worried; what occurs on the surface is pretty much what > I see (I've set so many precautions across the browser and in Fb), although > I don't take that for granted. > > The sandboxing's there; what still worries me is that even if I were on > Android, that's not what the declamation says; it's not about permitted > agency, but about full agency. I wonder about the legal ramifications of > this - if there are any. > > By thoughtfulness, I mean among other things, long duree, reading, say, > Badiou or Zalamea instead of Wired. That takes time, repetition, the > ability to return, to move slowly. The universe is difficult, Fb, at least > for me, for example, isn't. An email list allows for return - on empyre > when we had the discussion on anguish, we could return to earlier posts, > and some of the posts were extremely lengthy, not including links. So a > discourse in depth developed. I haven't had that in chat; when I do use > chat or try to use chat that way, I end up cutting and pasting. > > I'm on Pinterest and may be missing something, but I don't see the depth > there as well. (For example, I'm reading a book, The Evidence for the Top > Quark, and I can't imagine how this might be discussed anywhere except on > an email list or dedicated blog; the complexity of the world appears > everywhere in the text. But again, I may be missing something, and I do > have to run at times to Wikipedia for particle physics information.) > > Thanks! > > - Alan > > > > On Wed, 31 Aug 2016, BishopZ wrote: > > >> The issues of privacy are different depending if you are talking about the >> NSA, Facebook or Wikileaks. It is difficult to be pro-privacy in all three >> discussions. >> >> In terms of Facebook or Snapchat privacy, as James pointed out, be careful >> when simply reading the words. >> >> On Android, there are more internal regulation of your privacy than you >> could imagine. I hear the IOS has even more. >> >> For instance, in the case of >> "Photos/Media/Files >> >> read the contents of your USB storage >> modify or delete the contents of your USB storage" >> >> That sounds outrageous to me. >> But this is how the conversation goes inside of the Android OS. >> >> Alan: Hi Snapchat! >> Snapchat: Hi, can I have permission to access your photos. >> Alan: Sure. >> ... >> Snapchat: Alan, you have created a photo, Do you want to save it? >> Alan: Yes! >> Snapchat: Android, Alan would like to save a photo he made in my app. >> Android: I see that you have permission to do that, Where is the photo? >> Snapchat: Here you go. >> Android: Ok, I saved it. >> ... >> Snapchat: Alan, what photo would you like to use. >> Alan: The photo I want in is my Photos app. >> Snapchat: Android, Alan would like to select a photo from Photos. >> Android: I see that Alan has said you can do that. >> Snapchat: Okay, here is Alan. >> (Android then shows you the files in your Photos, not Snapchat.) >> Alan: I want this one. >> Android: Snapchat, here is the photo they selected. >> Snapchat: thanks! >> >> Internally this stuff is heavily sandboxed. >> >> I know hackers can still get around it, but that is the NSA conversation >> about privacy, not the Facebook conversation. I get a little tired of >> people >> saying that all online social networks are as bad as the NSA. >> >> To Alan's point about the loss of "thoughtfulness" in social media. I have >> mentioned on this list many times. Love it or hate it, Pinterest is >> another >> example of "thoughtfulness" in social media. >> >> That said, nearly every company I have worked for has replaced email with >> chat. You might be overestimating how thoughtful the average email user >> really was. Chat is better for most people. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 6:48 PM, Alan Sondheim <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> at least disorienting and different, and for everyone; the >> question is, what do we do about it? in the US, the potential >> hacking of the national election in November is frightening... >> >> alan >> >> On Tue, 30 Aug 2016, John Hopkins wrote: >> >> We are really witnessing a shifting of mediated >> communications. As we age, protocols change and >> generations split along those differing protocol >> lines. the fabric of the social system continues to >> fray... interiority is being exhumed for profit... >> thoughtfulness subsumed by profiteering... >> disorienting & sad... >> >> email lists, which still seem on the >> wane, seem to be the only online forum >> for >> extended discussion and a kind of 'care' >> in reading that's almost impossible >> elsewhere. that's why empyre, for >> example, works so well. there's a kind >> of >> reading-voice and interiority that >> allows for thoughtfulness, listening... >> >> >> >> -- >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> Dr. John Hopkins, BSc, MFA, PhD >> grounded on a granite batholith >> twitter: @neoscenes >> http://tech-no-mad.net/blog/ >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> _______________________________________________ >> NetBehaviour mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >> >> >> >> == >> email archive http://sondheim.rupamsunyata.org/ >> web http://www.alansondheim.org / cell 718-813-3285 >> music: http://www.espdisk.com/alansondheim/ >> current text http://www.alansondheim.org/ud.txt >> == >> _______________________________________________ >> NetBehaviour mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >> >> >> >> >> -- >> ________________________________________________________________ >> ================================================================ >> =--------------------------------------------------------=-===-=-=-====-- >> +_+~_=_~--+__+=-^=-+_+_=^-+__+-=+_+~__=__~-_-____-=++=_--^-===-=-==-=-=-- >> =--------------------------------------------------------=-===-=-=-====-- >> >> http://bishopZ.com >> _______________________________________________________________________ >> >> >> > == > email archive http://sondheim.rupamsunyata.org/ > web http://www.alansondheim.org / cell 718-813-3285 > music: http://www.espdisk.com/alansondheim/ > current text http://www.alansondheim.org/ud.txt > == > > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > -- ________________________________________________________________ ================================================================ =--------------------------------------------------------=-===-=-=-====-- +_+~_=_~--+__+=-^=-+_+_=^-+__+-=+_+~__=__~-_-____-=++=_--^-===-=-==-=-=-- =--------------------------------------------------------=-===-=-=-====-- http://bishopZ.com _______________________________________________________________________
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