Can images not be so complex?
Pinterest satisfies all of your concerns except the part about words.
It takes just as much thought to use it well, as reading an essay.
Pinterest is a (the only?) curatorial mass medium, and curation takes time.
Some people try to use it like Fb or a Blog and fail horribly. Many use it
simply as a bookmark engine. Pinterest hates this.
Pinterest wants you to spend a long time deciding whether to delete an image
or not. And with large community boards that are heavily curated, it becomes
a very social practice.
Let me know your ideas!
On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 1:30 PM, Alan Sondheim <[email protected]> wrote:
I love the conversation inside Android! I can imagine plays
written like this, it would be an interesting genre. I'm on
Win10 however and it may be a bit different.
On Fb I'm not that worried; what occurs on the surface is pretty
much what I see (I've set so many precautions across the browser
and in Fb), although I don't take that for granted.
The sandboxing's there; what still worries me is that even if I
were on Android, that's not what the declamation says; it's not
about permitted agency, but about full agency. I wonder about
the legal ramifications of this - if there are any.
By thoughtfulness, I mean among other things, long duree,
reading, say, Badiou or Zalamea instead of Wired. That takes
time, repetition, the ability to return, to move slowly. The
universe is difficult, Fb, at least for me, for example, isn't.
An email list allows for return - on empyre when we had the
discussion on anguish, we could return to earlier posts, and
some of the posts were extremely lengthy, not including links.
So a discourse in depth developed. I haven't had that in chat;
when I do use chat or try to use chat that way, I end up cutting
and pasting.
I'm on Pinterest and may be missing something, but I don't see
the depth there as well. (For example, I'm reading a book, The
Evidence for the Top Quark, and I can't imagine how this might
be discussed anywhere except on an email list or dedicated blog;
the complexity of the world appears everywhere in the text. But
again, I may be missing something, and I do have to run at times
to Wikipedia for particle physics information.)
Thanks!
- Alan
On Wed, 31 Aug 2016, BishopZ wrote:
The issues of privacy are different depending if you
are talking about the
NSA, Facebook or Wikileaks. It is difficult to be
pro-privacy in all three
discussions.
In terms of Facebook or Snapchat privacy, as James
pointed out, be careful
when simply reading the words.
On Android, there are more internal regulation of
your privacy than you
could imagine. I hear the IOS has even more.
For instance, in the case of
"Photos/Media/Files
read the contents of your USB storage
modify or delete the contents of your USB
storage"
That sounds outrageous to me.
But this is how the conversation goes inside of the
Android OS.
Alan: Hi Snapchat!
Snapchat: Hi, can I have permission to access your
photos.
Alan: Sure.
...
Snapchat: Alan, you have created a photo, Do you
want to save it?
Alan: Yes!
Snapchat: Android, Alan would like to save a photo
he made in my app.
Android: I see that you have permission to do that,
Where is the photo?
Snapchat: Here you go.
Android: Ok, I saved it.
...
Snapchat: Alan, what photo would you like to use.
Alan: The photo I want in is my Photos app.
Snapchat: Android, Alan would like to select a photo
from Photos.
Android: I see that Alan has said you can do that.
Snapchat: Okay, here is Alan.
(Android then shows you the files in your Photos,
not Snapchat.)
Alan: I want this one.
Android: Snapchat, here is the photo they selected.
Snapchat: thanks!
Internally this stuff is heavily sandboxed.
I know hackers can still get around it, but that is
the NSA conversation
about privacy, not the Facebook conversation. I get
a little tired of people
saying that all online social networks are as bad as
the NSA.
To Alan's point about the loss of "thoughtfulness"
in social media. I have
mentioned on this list many times. Love it or hate
it, Pinterest is another
example of "thoughtfulness" in social media.
That said, nearly every company I have worked for
has replaced email with
chat. You might be overestimating how thoughtful the
average email user
really was. Chat is better for most people.
On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 6:48 PM, Alan Sondheim
<[email protected]> wrote:
at least disorienting and different, and for
everyone; the
question is, what do we do about it? in the
US, the potential
hacking of the national election in November
is frightening...
alan
On Tue, 30 Aug 2016, John Hopkins wrote:
We are really witnessing a shifting of
mediated
communications. As we age, protocols
change and
generations split along those differing
protocol
lines. the fabric of the social system
continues to
fray... interiority is being exhumed for
profit...
thoughtfulness subsumed by
profiteering...
disorienting & sad...
email lists, which still seem on
the
wane, seem to be the only online
forum
for
extended discussion and a kind of
'care'
in reading that's almost
impossible
elsewhere. that's why empyre, for
example, works so well. there's a
kind
of
reading-voice and interiority that
allows for thoughtfulness,
listening...
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grounded on a granite batholith
twitter: @neoscenes
http://tech-no-mad.net/blog/
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