The Maecenas thing has nothing to do with making art more accessible. It's about making investing in art more accessible. It's strictly about art as commodity rather than artifact.
Speaking of non-existent artwork, the site I posted recently "Steal This CodeArt" celebrates the notion of ephemerality and volatility. I'll gladly sell anyone any of those codes but I can't promise that it will be the same, or even there at all, tomorrow. Maybe I can get some investors on Maecenas. On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 11:57 AM Edward Picot <julian.les...@gmail.com> wrote: > Rob, > > As far as I'm concerned your help would be greatly appreciated. I've had > several looks at Ethereum, but I don't feel at all confident that I could > actually implement something and make it work. Your coloured art coins look > as if they at least halfway there. Do I gather that you created 13 of each > colour, and offered them for sale? > > On the presentational side of this, the art listed on Maecenas, according > to their site, 'will be held in purpose-built art storage facilities that > not only ensure that the artwork is safe but also guarantee that it’s > properly looked after', and the ArtReview article mentions that artworks > are 'increasingly bought to be hidden away in warehouses in the peculiar > nonzones known as freeports - tax- and customs-free spaces where objects > are, legally, indefinitely ‘in transit’ between countries'. So I was > wondering if our non-existent artwork should have some kind of physical > location. An empty crate housed at the Furtherfield gallery might be nice. > The other option that occurred to me derives from Flann O'Brien's novel The > Third Policeman. One of the policemen in the book (MacCruiskeen) has a > hobby of making tiny boxes, each tinier than the previous one, which he > keeps one inside the other. When he unpacks them the tiniest of the lot is > completely invisible, and in fact there's really no way of telling that it > exists at all. 'The one I am making now,' he says, 'is nearly as small as > nothing.' So another option would be to say that our on-existent artwork > was housed inside MacCruiskeen's tiniest box, and perhaps give a > map-reference for it, whilst warning people that unfortunately it's so > small that it can't be seen. > > What do other people think? > > > Edward > > > > On 18/10/17 05:04, Rob Myers wrote: > > Yes I can help if anyone is interested. > > Precedent-wise there's - > > http://interaccess.org/event/2017/bitcoin-ethereum-and-conceptual-art > > Or my own - > > http://robmyers.org/art-coins-coloured/ > > But neither of these are *nothing*. :-) > > - Rob. > > > On Sun, 15 Oct 2017, at 10:36 AM, Edward Picot wrote: > > Great! - I'm not sure where you go with it after that, though. > > You could offer something non-existent for sale on OpenBazaar easily > enough. That would be one option. What appealed to me, though, was the idea > of selling shares in a non-existent work of art, in the hope that the > shares would keep changing hands and their value would keep increasing, so > that if you retained something like a 25% stake in the work, that stake > would keep increasing in value too. > > The paradox, of course, would be that by announcing that you were creating > a non-existent work of art, and offering shares in it, you would in effect > be creating an actual conceptual work of art about the marketing and the > market value of art. That's why I thought the images from Curt Cloninger's > essay about nothing would be appropriate (for advertising the existence, or > rather non-existence, of the work and the availability of shares), because > he's investigating the paradox that you can't create a representation of > nothing without that representation being a something. > > I expect Rob could advise about how to set up the shares thing. > > Edward > > On 15/10/17 16:22, ruth catlow wrote: > > Not sure this is the best tool > https://etherpad.net/p/MarlyStudiedTheQuotations > > but a place to start > > On 15/10/17 16:15, ruth catlow wrote: > > I'd be up for thinking this one through. > Let's do it. > > On 13/10/17 20:34, Edward Picot wrote: > > Oops! Apologies for posting this twice. I thought the first one hadn't > worked. > > On 13/10/17 19:10, Edward Picot wrote: > > Can't we do something with this? Couldn't we create a conceptual work of > art that didn't actually exist at all - we could use some ideas from Curt > Cloninger's 'Essay About Nothing' to represent it - and market shares in it > via the Blockchain? Proceeds to Furtherfield, unless the value went above a > trillion dollars, in which case I want a cut. > > Edward > > On 11/10/17 18:56, Rob Myers wrote: > > On Wed, 11 Oct 2017, at 12:58 AM, ruth catlow wrote: > > Perfectly put Helen! > Art reframed as a new asset class for fractional ownership ain't my idea > of utopia. > > > """Marly studied the quotations. Pollock was down again. This, she > supposed, was the aspect of art that she had the most difficulty > understanding. Picard, if that was the man's name, was speaking with a > broker in New York, arranging the purchase of a certain number of "points" > of the work of a particular artist. A "point" might be defined in any > number of ways, depending on the medium involved, but it was almost certain > that Picard would never see the works he was purchasing. If the artist > enjoyed sufficient status, the originals were very likely crated away in > some vault, where no one saw them at all. Days or years later, Picard might > pick up that same phone and order the broker to sell. 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