No flame intended here, but you seem to be seeking out additional work. The
studio is a way to create projects quickly. True, you will inevitably
digress from what the studio offers by adding your own java code and html,
but all of this can (imho) be done using the studio as a base of operations.
For myself and the needs of my particular group, the studio was a major (and
I mean major) factor in our purchase of ND in the first place. I use it all
the time.
Perhaps I just don't understand why it would be easier or faster for you to
bypass the studio.
Roger Feeley
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WK Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> (Thanx a lot for replying.)
>
> Exactly what I mean. I find that there are many files
> like the .sdo and the .spg files. They don't look
> "convenient" to create from scratch. In another post
> by Peter Cheung, he seems to empathise my problem.
> Example, how do u generate the unique ID number that u
> mentioned below ?
>
> When I said "bypassing the Studio", I didn't mean just
> bypassing the editor and using my own editor. I mean
> if I didn't install Studio at all, would an average
> programmer be able to use, say vi, to type out all the
> files (.spg, .java etc) and then do whatever is needed
> (eg. maybe generate the unique IDs for each object
> using some utility) to develop the entire application
> ?
>
> It seems to me that the Studio does quite a few things
> that are "hidden" from me. Also, it seems like a
> rather complicated (overkill ??) architecture. Even a
> simple, static html page requires creation of a java
> object (in the Customer Search example).
>
> This is just the 2-cents-worth of a ND newbie. So any
> ND supporter, pls don't flame me although opinions are
> most welcomed.
>
> TIA
>
> WK
>
>
> --- Curt Springer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > If you look at the directory containing any of the
> > sample apps, you will
> > see that there are properties files, with extensions
> > such as .sdo for data
> > objects, .spg for pages, etc. These are the files
> > that you create and
> > maintain in the Studio.
> >
> > If you open one up in a text editor, you will see
> > that they are all in a
> > simple hierarchical format. You will also see that
> > each object has a
> > unique ID number and that the properties file for
> > one object contains a
> > reference to another object (e.g. a data object has
> > a reference to a data
> > source) by carrying its id number as a property.
> >
> > There are some ND customers who have essentially
> > built their own IDEs, and
> > never use the Studio. Others use the Studio to
> > create the properties
> > files, and then do some operations directly on the
> > properties files,
> > especially for global changes, instead of clicking
> > on each object in turn
> > in the Studio and applying the same change. Others,
> > myself included,
> > produce relatively simple application objects in the
> > Studio, and put a lot
> > of functionality into custom java 'superclasses',
> > i.e., classes that extend
> > the basic ND classes (such as CSpPage) and are the
> > parents of the
> > Studio-produced application objects (i.e. an
> > individual page in a project).
> >
> > -- Curt Springer, Team ND
> >
> >
> >
> > At 02:28 PM 5/14/99 +0800, Lee Wee King wrote:
> > >Hi all,
> > > I just started exploring ND . Could someone
> > tell me if it's possible
> > >to not use the Studio at all ? i.e. I wish to use
> > my own editor to type
> > >out the html and java files, do my own java
> > compilation, manually copy
> > >the class files to the right directory and whatever
> > needs to be done to
> > >get my app running.
> > >
> > > I have expeienced other app servers like Oracle
> > and Netscape, and
> > >both allow me to do this. But I find that
> > developing for ND is very much
> > >tied to the Studio. Either that or I don't
> > understand the architecture
> > >well enough at this point in time (not much said
> > about this in the
> > >docs).
> > >
> > > Could someone point me in the right direction ?
> > >
> > >Thanx a lot...
> > >
> > >Wee King
> > >
> > >
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