friends, i'm an active lurker on this list since 1996; my answer to
angela's question ("What is Nettime's policy on whether or not it should
give fascists a platform from which to recruit?") would be that
"nettime" probably doesn't have a "policy" on anything, other than the
openness to questions; i'm sure there are people here who can put this
in a more nuanced theoretical language, but i imagine the list and the
discourse it supports as "in flux" and as something that takes its shape
through the things that people write, and through the ways in which they
respond to each other. - in the given case, the point for me would be
not to ask what some (general) "policy" might be, but to state clearly
and concretely that i'm against allowing anything that smacks of fascist
trolling or recruitment. a statement like this constitutes the quality
of this list which has, as its "policy", only a certain, vague
collective spirit which requires critical voices like angela's to
express their opinion. therefore: i support ted's decision to moderate
some of the contributions since, given 22 years of trust-building, i
believe he is acting in the spirit of the list and the discourse it
serves to constitute.
(not sure whether this is an answer to julia's question.)
regards,
-a
Am 05.11.18 um 01:57 schrieb Julia Röder:
about that
> dear angela,
> relax dear.
> it is ok.
> noone is recruiting anyone here.
> chill.
> best,
> w
so, is that it? silence about this from the whole list except from angela?
do you all not say anything because you think this is trolling or this
is normal??
Message: 1
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2018 11:12:54 +1100
From: Angela Mitropoulos <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
To: Nettime <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
Subject: Re: <nettime> apropos of nothing
It is a simple and straightforward question that I would like
answered. It
makes no inferences about whether recruitment is effective, or even
deliberate rather than aesthetic. But I'm grateful for the evidence
you've
furnished, dear, about the way in which women are told to calm down and
shut up, no matter the tone they take, so that those who think women and
black people are less than human and not entitled to take up space
can keep
ranting on at length about how everyone other than white guys are
less than
human. I mean, I'm grateful that you've illustrated the reason why I
asked
this question in the first place. That said, I have no interest in
debating
this further.
I simply repeat my question, and would like it answered. Preferably
in the
negative. But if in the affirmative, then I would like to suggest that
Nettime be shuttered because any benefit it had for creating a
better world
has long past. The world doesn't need a longform version of Gab, or
Gab for
that matter.
Angela
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