A quick google search with his name brought me this gem: https://goo.gl/images/94Nics In my experience, only predators use this sort of rationale.
Since nettime is a mostly male space, I’d like to propose that we adopt a community guideline asking participants to watch their misogyny and, when they accidentally engage in women hating behaviors, to listen and take time to reflect. Maybe in the form of a temporary ban. If they continue with misogynistic behavior after multiple instances, I do propose we ban them. I don’t see any reason to tolerate people who don’t respect women on a list with already implicit rules, just so we can avoid making any explicit guidelines. I don’t think that would be too hard to follow. This list doesn’t lack male voices, so no one has to be afraid of it turning into a “witch hunt.” Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 6, 2018, at 9:32 AM, Menno Grootveld <[email protected]> wrote: > > Dear all, > > Although I certainly do not share all of Alexander's notions and ideas, and > although I do not discount the possibility that he actually is one of these > 'trolls', I don't support banning him from nettime permanently. I have to > admit that I am a bit shocked by the eagerness with which some people seem to > be wanting to 'shut him up,' as I do not consider this a productive way of > having a discussion. The problem remains of course that a lot of people > feel offended by his posts and that the discussion I am referring to has > gotten out of hand recently, so the best solution would probably be to put > him temporarily on 'moderation watch'. > > Best, > > Menno > > Op 06-11-18 om 15:16 schreef Felix Stalder: >> At the moment, nettime is largely unmoderated, with a very small number >> of people set to manual approval by the moderators. >> >> The difficult part is, of course, to decide when to put someone on >> "moderation watch". Personally, I've been quite reluctant to do that, >> not for some absolutist notion of free speech -- there is no right to >> attack and denigrate people, no right to produce confusion and hatred, >> and no right to bore everyone to death with belaboring the same points. >> Also, nettime still has a collective focus, which involves trying to >> think through the contemporary condition from a point of view of >> producers of media culture (if such a thing can be still delineated). >> >> The reason I'm reluctant to do is that I think it's better to draw such >> boundaries collectively, to use these moments to rethink what the list >> is. This is, admittedly, a somewhat "inefficient" approach and it often >> creates not very productive loops until everyone gets so annoyed that >> they speak up, but I personally don't know a better way. >> >> So, please help us to respond more quickly by speaking up on the list or >> sending us private mails. >> >> Felix >> >> >> >> >> On 06.11.18 12:19, Andreas Broeckmann wrote: >>> friends, i'm an active lurker on this list since 1996; my answer to >>> angela's question ("What is Nettime's policy on whether or not it should >>> give fascists a platform from which to recruit?") would be that >>> "nettime" probably doesn't have a "policy" on anything, other than the >>> openness to questions; i'm sure there are people here who can put this >>> in a more nuanced theoretical language, but i imagine the list and the >>> discourse it supports as "in flux" and as something that takes its shape >>> through the things that people write, and through the ways in which they >>> respond to each other. - in the given case, the point for me would be >>> not to ask what some (general) "policy" might be, but to state clearly >>> and concretely that i'm against allowing anything that smacks of fascist >>> trolling or recruitment. a statement like this constitutes the quality >>> of this list which has, as its "policy", only a certain, vague >>> collective spirit which requires critical voices like angela's to >>> express their opinion. therefore: i support ted's decision to moderate >>> some of the contributions since, given 22 years of trust-building, i >>> believe he is acting in the spirit of the list and the discourse it >>> serves to constitute. >>> (not sure whether this is an answer to julia's question.) >>> regards, >>> -a >>> >>> >>> Am 05.11.18 um 01:57 schrieb Julia Röder: >>>> about that >>>> >>>> > dear angela, >>>> > relax dear. >>>> > it is ok. >>>> > noone is recruiting anyone here. >>>> > chill. >>>> > best, >>>> > w >>>> >>>> so, is that it? silence about this from the whole list except from >>>> angela? >>>> do you all not say anything because you think this is trolling or this >>>> is normal?? >> >> >> # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission >> # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, >> # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets >> # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l >> # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: [email protected] >> # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject: > > # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission > # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, > # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets > # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l > # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: [email protected] > # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject:
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