Sorry for a consistent error of saying ‘eastern front’ when I meant ‘western 
front’. A senior moment.

Thanks Andreas for pointing out the error

> On 09-Mar-2022, at 12:05 PM, Prem Chandavarkar <prem....@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> The fearful scenarios you lay out are all highly plausible, and will dominate 
> till Putin is given greater options by considering a wider history of 
> hegemony in which the US is highly complicit:
> 
> In 1990, shortly after the Berlin Wall had fallen, and the Soviet Union was 
> beginning to disintegrate, US Secretary of State James Baker had a 
> conversation with Gorbachev in which he suggested the Soviet Union should 
> support German unification in return for a guarantee that NATO would not 
> expand an inch eastward. On Baker’s return to the US, this option was 
> rejected by George H.W. Bush. 
> NATO’s eastward expansion is bound to be a sensitive matter for Russia’s 
> security. The Cold War established the history of Russia having a hostile 
> frontier to the east, a vulnerability that increased once the buffer of the 
> Warsaw Pact counties disintegrated in the early 90’s. Russia, on its eastern 
> front, is one large plain with no natural defence features such as a mountain 
> range or ocean, so the buffer between its heartland and this hostile frontier 
> is a major concern.
> Since the 1990’s, NATO has been on a major expansion spree eastwards, adding 
> Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary, 
> Romania, Bulgaria, Slovenia, Croatia, North Macedonia, Albania and 
> Montenegro. 
> This was bound to evoke a reaction from Russia, with Ukraine likely to be the 
> straw that broke the camel’s back. This was foreseen 12 years ago by William 
> Burns (then US Ambassador to Russia and current CIA Director) who wrote in a 
> confidential cable (released by WikiLeaks), "Ukraine and Georgia’s NATO 
> aspirations not only touch a raw nerve in Russia, they engender serious 
> concerns about the consequences for stability in the region. Not only does 
> Russia perceive encirclement, and efforts to undermine Russia’s influence in 
> the region, but it also fears unpredictable and uncontrolled consequences 
> which would seriously affect Russian security interests. Experts tell us that 
> Russia is particularly worried that the strong divisions in Ukraine over NATO 
> membership, with much of the ethnic-Russian community against membership, 
> could lead to a major split, involving violence or at worst, civil war. In 
> that eventuality, Russia would have to decide whether to intervene; a 
> decision Russia does not want to have to face.”
> As Siddharth Varadarajan pointed out in The Wire (a digital media publication 
> in India), “If Ukraine is to Russia today what Cuba was to the US during the 
> missile crisis of 1962 (when it allowed the stationing of Russian nuclear 
> weapons on its soil), then its resort to force – reprehensible though it 
> undoubtedly is – should not surprise us. Putin’s ‘special military operation’ 
> is as much the handiwork of a deranged leader as Kennedy’s illegal 
> ‘quarantine’ of Cuban ports was."
> NATO’s eastward expansion is driven by the Pax Americana project: a global 
> peace underpinned by global economic, political, and military dominance of 
> the US. This project is validated by Western governments by the argument that 
> “we are the good guys”, the ones supporting the quest for a rule-based 
> international order that has been the aspiration after World War II. This 
> validation is supported by Western mainstream media, and largely accepted by 
> the Western public.
> This “we are the good guys” perception is not one that is shared by most 
> other parts of the world, which sees the US as one of the major violators of 
> the rule-based International order. Some examples are the invasion of Iraq in 
> the Second Gulf War, NATO’s bombing of Yugoslavia, support to Israel’s 
> ruthless annexation of Palestinian territory, interventions affecting regime 
> change in many parts of Latin America, long-standing economic sanctions 
> against Cuba; and there are many more. 
> The Pax Americana project is perceived by most of the world as nothing more 
> than a US quest for global hegemony. This would be felt with greater acuity 
> by Russia.
> We have now returned to the value-free and rules-free international 
> environment that existed before World War II, with the addition of a game 
> changing element of nuclear armed nations.
> Russia’s invasion of Ukraine is illegal under International law, a violation 
> of the assurances that Russia gave Ukraine as part of the 1994 Budapest 
> Memorandum, and must be condemned and resisted. But a way out of the conflict 
> depends on a stronger assurance of a rule-based International order,
> A precondition for a implementing this is the acceptance that no single 
> superpower should possess global hegemony. To achieve this, we would need a 
> frank and realistic accounting for the history of hegemony since World War II.
> Due to domestic political concerns, it is unlikely that any Western 
> government will foreground, or even articulate, such a reading of history. 
> Change is only possible with a people’s movement within the West. Sadly, one 
> sees little ground for optimism on this count.
> 
> 
>> On 08-Mar-2022, at 5:50 PM, patrice riemens <patr...@xs4all.nl 
>> <mailto:patr...@xs4all.nl>> wrote:
>> 
>> ... has already arrived .
>> 
>> Aloha,
>> 
>> Even though the last two posts on the list are mine, I have no intention to 
>> become (again) nettime's #1 poster! So this will be my last one for now.
>> 
>> This said I still wanted to share my thoughts  - was it only to be relieved 
>> of them -  about 'the situation' with fellow nettimers. 
>> 
>> ExecSum: I think that war in Western Europe is now inevitable, and it will 
>> descend on us sooner than we all would wish for. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> In my mind, there are three options about when NATO will actually go to, or 
>> be dragged into a war against Putin's Russia. 
>> 
>> Option Zero: There will be no war. Putin will enslave Ukraine after having 
>> laid it to waste, annex part of it, and transform the rest in a vassal 
>> state, or whatever 'solution' he has in mind after achieving 'victory'.  And 
>> 'we' in the West, will accommodate with the new situation and try to make 
>> the best of it, even if it won't be fun at all on many front.  And yet I 
>> would feel insanely optimistic if I gave it half a chance of happening - or 
>> even less than that.
>> 
>> Having put his war machinery in movement, there is no turning back for 
>> Vladimir Putin, save a number of scenarios for his demise that have been 
>> discussed here and there and which are all entirely speculative. So by 
>> keeping it strictly to the current state of the situation, I see only three 
>> possible outcomes, all based on the assumption that the political and 
>> military deciders in the Western alliance (but also outside of it) have by 
>> now concluded that a war can no longer be averted, the only question being 
>> when it will start 'for real'. 
>> 
>> So there are in my mind three 'moments' when NATO will become involved in an 
>> armed conflict with Putin's Russia:
>> 
>> Moment 1: The situation in Ukraine becomes so dire, the 'Grosnyfication' of 
>> Ukrainian cities so blatant, the masses of refugees into Ukraine's 
>> neighbours, fleeing the violence under the bombs so colossal, that 'in the 
>> West', populations, politicians, media, and even the military brass get so 
>> agitated as to decide that enough is enough - and that 'we will be next' any 
>> way. So there will be more and more support pouring into Ukraine that will 
>> less and less distinguishable from direct military intervention, a stage 
>> that in the eyes of Putin has been passed long ago in any case.  
>> 
>> Moment 2 happens if Putin indeed achieve his goals in Ukraine, at whatever 
>> cost to the Russian and to the Ukrainian people without NATO actually 
>> intervening, it having be paralysed by the fear of consequences Putin has 
>> repeatedly, and unequivocally threatened with. In which case there is no 
>> reason whatsoever to assume he will stop at that and now will go to menace, 
>> and, if unsuccessful,  attack both ex-Soviet, but not NATO members Moldova 
>> and Georgia. Russia annexing Moldova will make Romania very angry and very 
>> anxious, doing the same with Georgia will rattle Turkey to an even larger 
>> extent, and greater consequences. And both Romania and Turkey are NATO 
>> members. At which stage the same 'we'll anyway be next'  conclusion might 
>> prevail after all ...
>> 
>> ... or not. Moldova and far-from-Europe (if not from Turkey) Georgia will be 
>> left to their fate of post-Soviet & pre-Imperial vassal states, whether they 
>> have resisted invasion (& be destroyed in the process) or not. Moment 2 in 
>> any case represents a 'between-in'  scenario that could be triggered by the 
>> outcome of Moment 1, ... or not, or might just as well merge with ... 
>> 
>> Moment 3 which will happen when Putin's Russia will directly threaten NATO 
>> countries, arguing yet again that NATO, not Russia, is the 'structural' 
>> aggressor. Unfortunately, the trigger to make it is there, in plain sight, 
>> on the map: it is called the 'Suvalky gap' and it consist in the 90km long 
>> borderline between Poland and Lithuania that separates the Russian 
>> (semi-)exclave of Kaliningrad Oblast from Russia's vassal Belarus - by now, 
>> and surely by then, a nation in name only. No doubt Putin will demand a 
>> 'corridor' to put an end to this insufferable situation, itself the result 
>> from the evenmore insufferable existence of the formerly Soviet Baltic 
>> states as independent countries. And all NATO members, just as Poland.
>> 
>> There will be no Czechoslovakia 1939. Having gone that far, the analogy with 
>> the precedent of Nazi Germany will have become too stark. NATO will go at 
>> war. What happens next is for any one and everyone to imagine.
>> 
>> I am aware that there are a lot of holes that can (and will) be shot in my 
>> presentation. The most obvious one being whether Putin can hold Russia 
>> together as it is dragging it into a fratricidal annihilation war with 
>> Ukraine - with the economic disaster that it entails. And whether he can 
>> hold his power (and even his life) in the face of possible (probable?) 
>> mounting discontent, both of the Russian people and of his own clique. 
>> Beware of the Ides of March (in 6 days time!) and the 'Tu quoque' bit they 
>> say ... but this wishful thinking is surely part of my sentiment, but not of 
>> my reasoning. 
>> 
>> Conclusion: We - and this time without speech marks - are toast. Sorry.
>> 
>> Cheers all the same,
>> p+7D!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>    
>> #  distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission
>> #  <nettime>  is a moderated mailing list for net criticism,
>> #  collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets
>> #  more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l 
>> <http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l>
>> #  archive: http://www.nettime.org <http://www.nettime.org/> contact: 
>> nett...@kein.org <mailto:nett...@kein.org>
>> #  @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject:
> 

#  distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission
#  <nettime>  is a moderated mailing list for net criticism,
#  collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets
#  more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l
#  archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
#  @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject:

Reply via email to