James Carlson wrote:
Darren Reed wrote:
Well, if we no longer wish to support snoop and do not wish to bundle it
with the standard product, why not pull it out into a tar-ball of souce
code that can be downloaded and compiled?
And maybe we could go a step further: create a project to
maintain/enhance snoop on a website such as sourceforge and let the
community take complete control of it? The community at large could even
port it to Linux or BSD, if such as their wish. Having it hosted on a
non-opensolaris web site would be important for many reasons.
Even if snoop is "deleted" from the source tree, it's still present in
the Mercurial history, so someone who really does care about it can
easily fetch the sources.
And if there's nobody who cares, why bother trying to create a community
somewhere for it? It seems too much like astroturf to me. Either there
are people who care -- and who can trivially take a fork of the source
from ON and do with it as they please -- or there's nobody who cares.
In both cases, we needn't "help" them by creating a ghost ship on
sourceforge. (And a weird one at that, since the code certainly will
require a substantial amount of work to be even minimally portable.)
Right, but if someone else wants to do it, why should we care or try to
stop them?
(btw, I've got the SunOS4 binary for snoop around somewhere...)
Creating forks of software also creates headaches. You have got to be
really dedicated to do it.
Taking any part of Solaris and making changes to it is unattractive for
anyone outside of Sun because the process or contributing those changes
back is a not very friendly and welcoming.
Maybe snoop will be just another open source project that is idle most
of the time, maybe not.
What I do know is that apart from the use of snoop for test suites, it
is not often used and it is even less often the tool of choice.
What I'm encouraging people to think about is a way for us to have our
cake and eat it too.
We want to get rid of snoop from ON but at the same time, we want to be
able to use it. SFW seems like the perfect answer.
Darren
p.s. i suppose another answer is to move the snoop source from ON to STC
but that only placates those in testing, not the wider community.
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