Darren Reed wrote: >> Anyone who wants to can get the source using Mercurial from >> hg.opensolaris.org. >> >> Run tar and gzip. >> > > And the directory tree you get won't build anywhere outside of the ON tree.
Of course not. It has not been ported anywhere else. Who are you proposing to do that porting work? It's a *lot* of work, and I suspect it's basically a worthless task given the much better alternatives available. >> So it seems you're saying that the fact that nobody's tar'd up that one >> directory and tossed it on a web server is the reason that there's no >> vibrant external snoop development community. It's the one blocking >> issue. They can do all the complicated work of getting a DLPI-dependent >> program running on a non-DLPI system, but Mercurial is a mystery. >> > > Why does everything need to have a "vibrant development community"? > > Statements like that sound like the mutterings of managers and people > who are disconnected with open source. I should take objection to that, as I've been involved in open source projects for many decades. Search the fine Internet should you care at all to be reasonable about this. But I'm not going to bother further with the ad-hominem nonsense. The statement I made works fine without the objectionable word. Are there _any_ developers out there who give a flying fig about snoop? All you need is one. If so, where are they? Why haven't they done the obvious first step and copied the snoop sources (warts and all) out to some more easily accessible site? That first step is extremely easy to do -- it requires no porting at all -- and yet it hasn't been done. Should someone want to do it at any point, yesterday, tomorrow, or at any time in the future, the source is always there in Mercurial for someone to give it a shot. The availability of the source is not, and since 2005 has not been, the problem. >>> As far as I can see, we've got everything to gain and nothing to lose by >>> trying it. >>> >> >> No. Because it's silly. >> > > Why do you say that? > > So far as I can tell, you're making a lot of assumptions about something > that's unknown. You're talking about an astroturf community, which makes it just plain silly. Throwing source at sourceforge does not cause developers to spring into being any more than posting the source on opensolaris.org or any other place. You have to have people who are actually _interested_ in it to get anywhere. It's a basic prerequisite. If those people don't exist, you can't conjure them into being by blasting out a tarball. In the case of snoop, if those people existed, they long ago would have done what you suggest. What more prodding do they need to get off their collective duffs? And why is creating a developer forum with no developers the right way to do that prodding? But if you don't believe me, then just do it. You don't need anyone's permission or agreement to do this. Make whatever tar images you want and post them anywhere that'll take them. The license allows that. -- James Carlson 42.703N 71.076W <[email protected]> _______________________________________________ networking-discuss mailing list [email protected]
