On 11/04/09 08:24, Garrett D'Amore wrote:
Brian Utterback wrote:


Steven Stallion wrote:

+1 for keeping snoop.

snoop presents a minimal quick and dirty method of inspecting packets; this
has been invaluable during network driver development over a serial
console.

Is there anything that snoop provides in this regard that tshark does not? I suspect that once you give it a try, you will find that tshark works as well or better for your needs.

I'm aware of only one thing snoop provides that tshark does not: familiarity for people who've been using Solaris for a very long time. :-)

Eliminating snoop at this time is not practical. I think "abandoning" snoop shouldn't happen at least until we have had a significant release cycle that included an alternative. As it stands, there has not yet been an actual production release that included wireshark.

I wasn't ever proposing that snoop should be eliminated from the distribution.

What I was proposing is that the "how" it is packaged be changed.

So there seems to be wide agreement that no new development, at Sun, should happen for snoop. That's good because it lets us move on to what to do with it in its afterlife.

The next question that needs to be asked is who should support it and how?
Does that role need to be played by Sun forever and a day?

What I'd like people to consider is that the removal of snoop from ON does not necessarily mean that it needs to be removed from the distribution.

A distribution is made up of a plethora of packages, each one compiled from source code that may or may not have its origins inside of Sun.

Another question in my mind is why shouldn't we kickstart a snoop project on sourceforge? If it fails to attract a lot of attention, so be it, but isn't it worthwhile as an experiment? If it doesn't go anywhere, then that's a decision that the community at large has made, rather than one that Sun makes.

If Sun wants to stop developing snoop and similarly envisage ceasing support of it, why shouldn't Sun enable folks to continue hacking on it ?
Why don't they now? Because Sun owns it.

Darren

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