On Wednesday 10 July 2002 07:14 pm, tom brinkman wrote: > Mark Stewart wrote: > > >>>> Save your sanity, try to avoid win-hardware in the future, > > >>>>blame uncle billy for aureal. Look here to find a_real sound > > >>>>card > > >>>> > > >>>>http://www.alsa-project.org/~goemon/ > > >>>>-- > > >>>> Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas > > >> > > >> Well, your welcome to your opinions. The link I posted is > > >> Deno's and Civileme's opinions. Mine are that _any_ hardware > > >> that requires closed source proprietary drivers to function is > > >> WIN_hardware. It can't and never will be supported by Linux, the > > >> drivers _will_ taint your kernel, and possibly (probly) > > >> introduce unfixable, untraceable conflicts and security issues. > > > > > >Hmm. I really think "taint" is a problematic word since it > > > suggests that it is mostly an ethical issue whereas I think > > > Linus' objection is really mostly pragmatic. > > from Google 'dictionary taint'; > > Taint, v. t. [F. teint, p.p. of teindre to dye, tinge, fr. L. tingere, > tinctum. See Tinge, and cf. Tint.] > 1. To imbue or impregnate with something extraneous, especially with > something odious, noxious, or poisonous; hence, to corrupt; to > infect; to poison; as, putrid substance taint the air. > 2. Fig.: To stain; to sully; to tarnish. > > ethical? as in Micro$soft ? sounds to me like my (et al) use of > the word 'taint' in conjunction with win-hardware, closed source > proprietary software/drivers is appropriate, even kind and gentle. > Specially since I use the term 'introduce' rather than impregnate ;> > Perhaps you'd prefer I use corrupt? or poisonous?, maybe noxious? or > sully? putrid? infect? tarnish? .... _and_ with a much stronger term > for delivery than impregnate ? > They all apply..... pragmatically ;) ... unfortunately, > realistically also. > > Google again, courtesy of Mr.Webster; > Prag*mat"ic, n. > 1. One skilled in affairs. > 2. A solemn public ordinance or decree. > > So I hereby decree y'all quit buyin win-hardware, swear off closed > source software/drivers. Save Linux and open source !!!! > [ Optional, but requested, is quit buyin Dells. Then they wouldn't > have so damn much of y'alls money to spend on those irritating TV > commercials. (more than they put into the actual hardware) > "Dude, you're gettin (stuck with) a Dell" ] > > >I hope I'm not coming across as a complete curmudgeon here. I've just > > grown > > >a little weary of the continuous bashing of non-open software's > > quality > > >(e.g. NVidia's drivers) as if the two were mutually exclusive. > > It's what they don't say, or out right hide that'll kill ya. > Not sure what you mean 'as if the two were mutually exclusive.' Mea > culpa, maybe inclusive? I'll just say again, and this applies to > nVidia as much as any other closed source stuff or vendors (Aureal), > 'the drivers _will_ taint your kernel, and possibly (probly) > introduce unfixable, untraceable conflicts and security issues.' > ... or be orphaned or asimilated into the rest of the wintel gang. > > That's not a guess, usin closed source SW/drivers IS. Your choice, > but it has an effect on all of us, and not for the better .... Once again I ask the question, "what video card is open source and works as well or nearly as well as Nvidia cards?" I am looking for a replacement for the reasons above. Found one Hercules that looks ok for about $75. Any other suggestions. -- Dennis M. linux user #180842
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