Stanley, You've told us everything but HOW you are going to generate the Hudrogen. Is it a secret? Dennis G. - Seattle
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of stanley/ Randolph Sent: 18 September, 2009 08:40 To: [email protected] Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1983-85 CB650SC Front Forks Keep in mind that hydrogen powered vehicles are burning the hydrogen internally, and with a liquid hydrogen tank to increase the volume of stored hydrogen, they can still only get about 125 miles out of a tankful. That was a BMW with engine designed to handle only hydrogen as its fuel, in theory. I do intend to burn it and I am only worried that I will not be able to produce enough in the coldest months, because burning it to produce heat for a home is not the same as burning it inside an IC engine. As it burns, it is also increasing the - HUMIDity, making it feel warmer - heat index, ya know... As for storing, it's colder at night, so most of the heat will be needed at night, and for most of my life I have only heated the room I need, not the whole house. During the day, when less heat is required, and I use the whole house, I will heat the whole house... It only takes a hundred cubic feet or two of natural gas a month to heat the house, so I expect it won't take that much more hydrogen. I can produce about a cubic foot an hour, and if I have eight hours (of daylight), that's eight feet. If I am using 100 cubes a month, that's about 3 cubes a day; 150 is five... I am only using the acetylene tank to store the excess and only at about 110psi because I am using pvc pipe to make my generator. Even if I use schedule 80 cpvc, I wouldn't go much over 140psi. You have to reduce the pressure back down, to actually use it in a burner. I think natural gas is used at about 8 psi, and propane is around 11. At this point I don't know what hydrogen needs to be for a burner; I do know that you need to put some steel wool downstream of the jet (in the mixing chamber) because the hydrogen will pop otherwise. I intend to use it in a ceramic type heating unit. People still have this idea that hydrogen is dangerous and they generally reference the Hindenburg. It wasn't the hydrogen that caused the blimp to burn, it was the skin, which had magnesium in the coating. When they grounded the ship, in an electrical storm, the lightning struck the skin and it burned very very rapidly. Of course, there were some hydrogen bladders that were either pierced or burned until unable to seal and the hydrogen did burn then, but the disaster was due to the magnesium burning. Because the flame of hydrogen burning is so very pale, the only way of determining that it is hydrogen burning is when it is dark. _____ From: Anthony <[email protected]> To: Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 7:32:47 AM Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1983-85 CB650SC Front Forks How are you going to generate the hydrogen? Please give us some details on your plan. I have some doubts that it will work. I dont think that you have enough capacity in a acetylene bottle @ 100 psi to heat your house. Hydrogen vehicles store hydrogen at 10,000 psi. After you generate the H2 how are you going to generate your heat? burn it or use it to generate electric via fuel cell? Some reading on Hydrogen: http://www1.eere.energy.gov/hydrogenandfuelcells/education/h2iq.html On Sep 17, 3:57 pm, stanley/ Randolph <[email protected]> wrote: > Yeah, but ya gotta admit it was FFFFFFFUNNNEEEEEEEE!!! > Seriously, though. I would be storing it in an acetylene bottle, and/or the oxygen bottle for a welding set. That would be thick enough that, with the constant production and use, its slight leakage out would be so slow that it wouldn't be noticeable. > I am only planning on about 100- 110 psi. > I want to make an ammonia-based air conditioner next year so that I can use a combination of sun and hydrogen to cool the house, instead of the "electrical pig" window units, or "electrical pig" central, with freon. > > Stanley > > ________________________________ > From: Dennis <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 8:12:52 AM > Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1983-85 CB650SC Front Forks > > You are bad, Graham. You have to go stand in the corner. > > Dennis G. > - Seattle > > -----Original Message----- > >From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Graham Rogers > >Sent: 15 September, 2009 05:44 > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1983-85 CB650SC Front Forks > > >he combines it with oxygen and keeps it in a bottle in the fridge > > >On Sep 15, 2009, at 8:36 AM, Dennis wrote: > > >Stanley, > >> > >>How are you making the Hydrogen and how are you storing it? > >> > >>Dennis G. > >>- Seattle > >>-----Original Message----- > >>>From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of stanley/ Randolph > >>>Sent: 14 September, 2009 13:59 > >>>To: [email protected] > >>>Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1983-85 CB650SC Front Forks > > >>>Most don't realize it, but hydrogen is safer than any hydrocarbon gas, be it butane, propane, natural gas, etc. If you have a leak, it floats up and through the roof; the hydrocarbons accumulate on the floor and build up. You could die just breathing the stuff in your sleep. Methane, marsh gas, accumulates in valleys, low spots or depressions, when there is no wind. People who are uninformed and make camp in a low spot just may fall asleep that night never to wake up again. It happens down here. > >>>Plus, because it doesn't accumulate, there is much less of a likelihood that it will explode. > >>>Anyway, it's great to increase your mileage, and I will find out if I will be able to make enough without electronics to heat the house and workroom. > >>>No, I still haven't made one for my Nighthawk... > >>> > >>> --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. 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