No, it's no secret. Many different examples already exist, most of them using around 20 - 30 amps, for cars, predominantly. Just type in "hydrogen generators" in your search box, and there are lots of samples, some even showing their apparatus working, on U Tube. The one I make only draws about 2.79 amps, so I can use it on my 'Hawk. The output is comparable to those using 25 + amps. Only drawback is, because it's thin wire, it doesn't last as long. I have to replace the wire - oxygen side - every two to three months. And that's stainless 316, btw. Oxygen is hard on anything, just about. Actually, most of them need to be cleaned and the electrolyte replaced every month or two anyway, depending on how frequently one drives. So, I just take the cap off, disconnect the wires from the rods going in, and replace the coils with another set, rinse out and replace the electrolyte. There's a company out there that sells them and the dude came to the same conclusion as I did: most units are short - lived. He claims his last longer than most, with a life expectancy of about 5 years (and he still only warrants them for one). Most succumb earlier than one year, the better about two. His, however, need to be cleaned out and elecytolyte replaced also. And the cost is around $1,000 to 2,500. My humble little job only costs around $90, and is easily maintained for years with more stainless wire. I send $1.00 per sale to the originator of this unit. I did alter it, as I am after all, a tinkerer ( hence my chosen i-net handle - lol...), so that it continues to produce even when the wire eats through, only not as much. I have this Izuzu Rodeo that only achieves around 11mpg town driving, and maybe 15 hwy. I put one of my units on it and realized 16.7 town, and 22.4 hwy. I was told that it's the big tires that cause the poor mileage. I don't know, but I will never own another one of those things. I looked underneath when re-filling the transmission (no tube - just fill it via a plug underneath - and that while it'srunning!!) and the space between the control arm and its bumper is only about 1.5". That makes for a most uncomfortable ride. And the reason? If there were more travel, it just might flip over on hard turns. The process is known as electrolysis, and I first did it with salt water, in high school, which was about 46 years ago for me. I used about 10 batteries lined up, or about 15 volts, with + and - wires dipped in the solution. I didn't separate them, so if you put a match to the surface (gotta be no wind and a decent amount of bubbles), you will see a quick flash and hear a pop. I have actually had one of my units blow up once, with a very loud POP! Didn't hurt anything, just made a big noise, sort of like a backfire. The lid blew off and the glass broke, but everything else was intact. It was from the wire breaking and reconnecting, with a spark, above the electrolyte level. Now I have the wires totally submerged, so if they break, no bang... Stanley
________________________________ From: Dennis <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 7:37:46 PM Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1983-85 CB650SC Front Forks Stanley, You've told us everything but HOW you are going to generate the Hudrogen. Is it a secret? Dennis G. - Seattle -----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] >[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of stanley/ Randolph >Sent: 18 September, 2009 08:40 >To: [email protected] >Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1983-85 CB650SC Front Forks > > >Keep in mind that hydrogen powered vehicles areburning the hydrogen >internally, and with a liquid hydrogen tank to increase the volume of stored >hydrogen, they can still only get about 125 miles out of a tankful. That was >a BMW with engine designed to handle only hydrogen as its fuel, in theory. >I do intend to burn it and I am only worried that I will not be able to >produce enough in the coldest months, because burning it to produce heat for a >home is not the same as burning it inside an IC engine. >As it burns, it is also increasing the - HUMIDity, making it feel warmer - >heat index, ya know... >As for storing, it's colder at night, so most of the heat will be needed at >night, and for most of my life I have only heated the room I need, not the >whole house. >During the day, when less heat is required, and I use the whole house, I will >heat the whole house... >It only takes a hundred cubic feet or two of natural gas a month to heat the >house, so I expect it won't take that much more hydrogen. I can produce about >a cubic foot an hour, and if I have eight hours (of daylight), that's eight >feet. If I am using 100 cubes a month, that's about 3 cubes a day; 150 is >five... >I am only using the acetylene tank to store the excess and only at about >110psi because I am using pvc pipe to make my generator. Even if I use >schedule 80 cpvc, I wouldn't go much over 140psi. You have to reduce the >pressure back down, to actually use it in a burner. I think natural gas is >used at about 8 psi, and propane is around 11. At this point I don't know >what hydrogen needs to be for a burner; I do know that you need to put some >steel wool downstream of the jet (in the mixing chamber) because the hydrogen >will pop otherwise. >I intend to use it in a ceramic type heating unit. >People still have this idea that hydrogen is dangerous and they generally >reference the Hindenburg. It wasn't the hydrogen that caused the blimp to >burn, it was the skin, which had magnesium in the coating. When they grounded >the ship, in an electrical storm, the lightning struck the skin and it burned >very very rapidly. Of course, there were some hydrogen bladders that were >either pierced or burned until unable to seal and the hydrogen did burn then, >but the disaster was due to the magnesium burning. >Because the flame of hydrogen burning is so very pale, the only way of >determining that it is hydrogen burning is when it is dark. > > > > > > ________________________________ From: Anthony <[email protected]> >To: Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! <[email protected]> >Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 7:32:47 AM >Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1983-85 CB650SC Front Forks > > >How are you going to generate the hydrogen? Please give us some >details on your plan. I have some doubts that it will work. I dont >think that you have enough capacity in a acetylene bottle @ 100 psi to >heat your house. Hydrogen vehicles store hydrogen at 10,000 psi. >After you generate the H2 how are you going to generate your heat? >burn it or use it to generate electric via fuel cell? > >Some reading on Hydrogen: >http://www1.eere.energy.gov/hydrogenandfuelcells/education/h2iq.html > > >On Sep 17, 3:57 pm, stanley/ Randolph <[email protected]> wrote: >> Yeah, but ya gotta admit it was FFFFFFFUNNNEEEEEEEE!!! >> Seriously, though. I would be storing it in an acetylene bottle, and/or the >> oxygen bottle for a welding set. That would be thick enough that, with the >> constant production and use, its slight leakage out would be so slow that it >> wouldn't be noticeable. >> I am only planning on about 100- 110 psi. >> I want to make an ammonia-based air conditioner next year so that I can use >> a combination of sun and hydrogen to cool the house, instead of the >> "electrical pig" window units, or "electrical pig" central, with freon. >> >> Stanley >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Dennis <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 8:12:52 AM >> Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1983-85 CB650SC Front Forks >> >> You are bad, Graham. You have to go stand in the corner. >> >> Dennis G. >> - Seattle >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >From: [email protected] >> >[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Graham Rogers >> >Sent: 15 September, 2009 05:44 >> >To: [email protected] >> >Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1983-85 CB650SC Front Forks >> >> >he combines it with oxygen and keeps it in a bottle in the fridge >> >> >On Sep 15, 2009, at 8:36 AM, Dennis wrote: >> >> >Stanley, >> >> >> >>How are you making the Hydrogen and how are you storing it? >> >> >> >>Dennis G. >> >>- Seattle >> >>-----Original Message----- >> >>>From: [email protected] >> >>>[mailto:[email protected]] on Behalf Of stanley/ Randolph >> >>>Sent: 14 September, 2009 13:59 >> >>>To: [email protected] >> >>>Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1983-85 CB650SC Front Forks >> >> >>>Most don't realize it, but hydrogen is safer than any hydrocarbon gas, be >> >>>it butane, propane, natural gas, etc. If you have a leak, it floats up >> >>>and through the roof; the hydrocarbons accumulate on the floor and build >> >>>up. You could die just breathing the stuff in your sleep. Methane, >> >>>marsh gas, accumulates in valleys, low spots or depressions, when there >> >>>is no wind. People who are uninformed and make camp in a low spot just >> >>>may fall asleep that night never to wake up again. It happens down here. >> >>>Plus, because it doesn't accumulate, there is much less of a likelihood >> >>>that it will explode. >> >>>Anyway, it's great to increase your mileage, and I will find out if I >> >>>will be able to make enough without electronics to heat the house and >> >>>workroom. >> >>>No, I still haven't made one for my Nighthawk... >> >>> >> >>> > >> > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. 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